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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:43 PM) trade market now appears to be holding up free agent market. lots of big names being mentioned in trades, though no certainty many of them will move: machado, mccutchen, abreu, cole, duffy, archer, longoria, avisail, colome, herrera, harrison, kipnis, hernandez, merrifield, etc. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/942850466874101760 With the Red Sox resigning Moreland to a two year deal I think we can likely kill the Abreu to Boston rumor for now

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 04:06 PM) Ken Rosenthal‏Verified account @Ken_Rosenthal 5m5 minutes ago More Bit of a surprise: #RedSox announce signing of free-agent 1B Mitch Moreland to a two-year contract. Boston must really not have liked the asking prices of free agents and in trades to sign Moreland for two years. He's not a terrible player by any means, but when you are competing in a division with the Yankees I'm sure fans were looking for a more robust move. If they sign JD Martinez that might appease fans?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 1h1 hour ago Realmuto and Yelich understandably don't want to be the last marquee player standing in #Marlins rebuild, but #Marlins plan for both to be on opening day roster, particularly Realmuto, who is considered close to untouchable. Marlin's situation looks to be a disaster. Realmuto and Yelich are not pleased and both reportedly are looking to get out.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 01:21 PM) Makes sense for the Cubs actually. I actually do think I would trade 4 controlled years of Russell for 1-year of Machado. They have Baez and Happ ready to contribute where needed. It'd probably save some money on a 5th starter too, because frankly they really wouldn't need a good one! I also believe Machado would fall in love with the city and the baseball atmosphere surrounding the Cubs and would re-sign because they are a team that is set up to contend for the majority of his prime. Plus, if they found a way to dump Heyward and somehow lure Bryce (which wouldn't be all too difficult with Bryant, Rizzo and Machado there), that would be an unbelievable situation. Lots of ifs. But ifs of this magnitude rule out most teams. Typically contending teams with bright futures and deep pockets can endure risk of this caliber. As for us...I think it would be great to see Machado here. But just don't think it's a good fit in a trade situation, NOW--in the event he resigns somewhere else. Could you imagine losing 2+ key pieces of our rebuild for a meaningless year of Machado (good or bad)? Do you think it's worth it to add him with the thought of flipping him at the deadline if we get the inclination he would not resign with us? That would limit the risk a little, but a deal for a mega-star player like Machado would take a while to complete. I do still think a team could part with a VERY TOP prospect at the deadline to get Manny Machado for their stretch run, with the inside track on resigning him if things went well. He's one of the very few who I think could make a difference large enough to justify that. I don't know...just ramblin' some thoughts. 1) Nobody is taking Heyward and his contract off their hands, Cubs are stuck with him for now 2) Even the deep pocketed Cubs cannot afford BOTH Machado and Harper in free agency. Each player will command $30-40 million on the open market and it would be insane to commit that much payroll to two players. Cubs would be pushed way into the luxury tax.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 16, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/des...-for-assignment Craig Mish‏Verified account @CraigMish Following Following @CraigMish More Source : JT Realmuto has requested a trade from the Marlins. Marlin's fire sale might not be over^

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) I agree, but this s*** makes me very nervous. I just hope the Sox know what they’re doing. I have no problem throwing out a moderate offer in the off-chance it sticks, but we definitely don’t need to get involved in a bidding war. Having said that, I still can’t figure out what teams would actually overpay for a year of Machado. To me, it’s the Cardinals or bust and I still don’t see them giving up a package that much bigger than what they gave up for Ozuna. Cardinals do not want to part with Reyes or Flaherty after trading for Ozuna. They dealt multiple arms and are not comfortable depleting their farm depth even more. I could see them offering some outfielders, but Baltimore seems set on wanting pitching.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) The fact that this deal window was supposedly in hours, and now is going on a week tells me that Angelos is having second thoughts. I think no deal gets done with Machado until the tax deadline. Machado makes much much more sense for a contender, but there is not a clear fit in terms of a team 1) With the desired prospects that will part with the prospects 2) Who can easily absorb Machado's 17.3 million estimated salary 3) That O's ownership actually wants to move him They should have dealt Machado a year ago for a huge haul and by waiting they will get far less for a rental.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 09:04 AM) Yeah that's more than twice what I would be comfortable with the WSox giving up Machado is projected to earn roughly $18 million in arbitration this season, worth it for him, but not a small chunk of change either. I can't see the Cubs parting with 4 seasons of Russell + Montgomery + a prospect for one season of Machado. The Red Sox package is steep too, twqo years of Boegarts + 4 seasons of ERod + a prospect I'm passing big time at these projected costs

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 18, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) Rosenthal’s latest article suggests a decision should be finalized before the end of the week. He also threw out a couple trade proposals that he thought made sense, but not necessarily based on anything he heard. Cubs - Russell, Montgomery, & a prospect Red Sox - Boagarts, Rodriguez/Pomeranz, & Chavis/Travis If the cost is going to be anything like the above, then we better be sitting this one out. I think both of those packages are absurd and if we offered anything comparable it would greatly reduce our prospect depth. A couple other interesting nuggets. Rosenthal mentioned from the outside the bidding for Machado seems less than frenzied, but acknowledged that’s only based on known information. He also believes the Cardinals do not want to trade another promising young starter and mentioned both Reyes & Flaherty, which would seem to make them a tough match with the Orioles. Those packages are nuts for a one year rental of Machado. Can't see the Cubs or Red Sox parting with that much talent.

QUOTE (Quin @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 05:31 PM) All I remember about Shingo was the awesome gong intro. Shingo's gong was amazing^

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) Think of what the Sox had to give up for 1 year of Samardzija, and add some more. That is what their package must look like. I doubt Giolito or Kopech are in the offer, as that would be a big mistake for a rental. Giolito has the makings of a solid #3/4 starter at worst, with the potential for more. I am not giving him up for one season of Machado,

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Ive said it before, but if we strike out in FA, I think we should take on Hammel from the Royals. We'd have to give up nothing and he was bad last year but he has an arm and is a respected vet. Not a bad suggestion if we run out of decent choices. As recent as 2016 Tillman was a (Baseball Reference) 4.1 WAR pitcher. 2017 was a disaster, but I'd roll the dice on him bouncing back at age 30 No way I give him a multi year deal though

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) It's been rumored all offseason, but Seibu has apparently formally submitted the paperwork to post their righty specialist, the submariner Makita. He's 33-years old. He sits mid-80's and doesn't strike a ton of guys out, but he's a groundball machine who doesn't walk anybody and he hasn't posted an ERA higher than last year's 2.30 since converting to the bullpen. He threw ~80- innings of 1.60 in 2016. Former Rookie of the Year starter. Looked pretty good against the US in the WBC. And our bullpen is sadness. Great candidate for some under-the-radar value, IMO, whether it's as a trade chip at the 2018 deadline or a useful and affordable piece of the 2019/2020 contender squad. http://tv.pacificleague.jp/vod/pc/topics/l...apacifico/23131 Maybe, but I feel like we have a ton of arms moving forward who should be given bullpen opportunities

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:58 PM) Hope they sign Chris Tillman Tillman would be a solid veteran signing for one year

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 12:10 AM) Dick Allen, predict whether they'll be traded or not. You saw Hahn when he said it. Wouldn't you say 90 percent yes they'll be traded? 10 percent no, until the trade deadline? Jeff Passan‏Verified account @JeffPassan 3m3 minutes ago More The consensus on Carlos Santana's $60M deal with the Phillies: It bodes awfully well for free agent hitters. Santana is four years older than Eric Hosmer. A seven-year, $175M ask no longer seems beyond the pale. Good news for Logan Morrison and other available first basemen, too. Does this increase the chance of an Abreu deal?^

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:48 PM) Thinking the same thing with SD and Hosmer. This is a nice little deal for the Phillies. 3 years to a 31 year old with Santana's numbers is very reasonable. This deal really helps the market for other sluggers at the $20 million per valuation. Hosmer now absolutely will be looking for $150+ million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) If we have done our rebuild correctly we should not need 2-3 quality players as much as we would a top flight player. We've done the "needing to sign 3 quality players on the FA market" experience recently, we signed 3 in 2015. Robertson, Cabrera, LaRoche. That was nearly $40 million per year. Haven't we learned from this experience? The FA market is loaded with busts and if you sign 3 guys you expect 1 or 2. I was referring to players significantly better than those guys ($100+ million contract guys), not guys in the tier you referenced

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Any chance we could do a heavily front-loaded deal with an opt out after a few years? I just think the money might get to staggering amounts that the Sox will not feel comfortable going to. Mlbtraderumors guessed during a weekly chat Machado's deal ends up being $350-400 million over 10+ years on the open market. Is that something we really want to risk? We could theoretically sign 2-3 still very high quality players for that same money.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) If you're locking him up for 10 years 300+ million there's no opt out. It would probably be a dealbreaker for me. Having an opt out at say 28 would be brutal. He'd almost assuredly take it and would leave the Sox holding all the downside risk on the deal and none of the upside. These opt outs are poison pills. I see no way he agrees to a deal without multiple opt outs and a full no trade clause. His contract will be all upside for him and all downside for the club signing him. If he gets seriously injured your club suffers for a decade.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:04 PM) There are other teams that plan on offering him the most cash as well. He’s going to be one of the most desired free agents in baseball history. I can’t believe you think it’s as simple as offering the most money when the Yankees & Dodgers will be involved. There will be multiple teams that likely end up in the same basic range by the end of the process. Again, his decision will likely come down to non-financial considerations. Our best bet of landing Machado is to form a bond with the player (this is more than just culture) and then be prepared to match any offer he receives. If we go in without that benefit, landing him is going to be an uphill battle. Left out of a ton of this conversation is whether it is a good idea for the White Sox franchise to pursue a free agent like Machado, who is predicted to end up with a $300-400 million contract over 10+ years. We all would love to have Machado, but I really wonder if it is in the club's best interest to sign a player to mega money for 10+ years, full NTC, multiple opt outs, etc. It looks like a great idea now, but paying a player $30-40 million when he is over ago 30 might not look so good. Thoughts?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) I know Fulmer's peripherals weren't great last year, but he also had some decent big league performances. If you gave up Gavin Floyd after 2007 for a rental, and the team wasn't competitive in 2008, and the rental left, same rule? Whole thread still remains bewildering for this reason. In all honesty I still believe that Fulmer can develop at the mlb level and be solid. Flipping any of these young pitchers is a mistake, especially since you can never have too much pitching. We will be counting on these arms to bring us a championship moving forward.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 09:56 AM) I think I could stomach something like one of Cease/Dunning and one of Guerrero/Stephens and like a low-level prospect. Cease is a guy I would hesitate to toss away in a trade. He has dealt with injuries and needs to build up his innings, but his stuff is legitimate mlb quality. He's a player I could see us regretting dealing too soon and could be primed for a breakout with his plus plus fastball and plus power curveball. If he can't handle starting he certainly has the stuff to be a setup man or closer. Dunning is a guy who profiles as a solid #4 starter in the majors who can eat a ton of innings for you. That is still a valuable player.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 09:54 AM) If you gave up a guy who in 3 years was a #2 starter for a guy you paid $17 million to in a contract year where your team only won 75 games and then had that guy walk as a free agent, that should be a firing offense for a GM. That's why I would be open to a trade, but the following players are off limits: Eloy/Kopech/Moncada/Giolito/Lopez/Hansen/Robert/Cease/Dunning/Collins They can select from: Fulmer, Adams, Stephens, etc. tier for a rental. Do they accept that? Probably not, but I absolutely refuse to surrender top prospects for one meaningless season of Machado.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 09:53 AM) He easily could come fast. I personally expect him to reach AA by the end of 2018. I think that’s where he’ll finally be challenged a bit, so 2020 seems like a pretty realistic ETA although 2019 wouldn’t completely shock me. Man, how reassuring would it be to see Robert do very well in the low minors in 2018? Sox might aggressively start him in high A ball to accelerate his path to the majors, but I ultimately think they let him get his feet wet in Kannapolis for a bit first.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Dan Duquette is pretty bright, but they are a bit ass backwards there. If they have to fly back to Baltimore to discuss it with the owner, haven't they heard of phones? They aren't exactly new. It's a weird thing. If the White Sox aren't trading at least one of their top guys, if I am them, I am telling them to go scratch. I doubt teams are trading their top guys for a one year rental though, especially the White Sox. It would be criminal to give up a player like Kopech in a deal for one season of Machado with the cost of starting pitching. Anything better than a Cease/Dunning level prospect would be a mistake in my opinion, and I do not love the idea of dealing either of those players as well. I get the "extended sales pitch" idea, but what is that worth in terms of our prospects?