brett05

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) if you throw enough... at the wall, eventually some will stick. Like I said we shall see. That phrase seems hard to understand on this board but I have some hope.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) Well yea, he didnt like being part of a rebuild, who would? It cant be fun being in the middle of your prime while the team is being torn down around you and rebuilt, without being in those rebuild plans. But he didnt really put it the way you said it, I never heard him say he didnt like playing for the Cubs. Whatever....

I like bwar over fwar but to each their own. With Bias aside I think it's really hard to say who Abreu really is. We need a another year of performance.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 11:51 AM) I dont think Jeff ever said he disliked playing for the Cubs, I think he disliked that Theo and Jed didnt see him in their future plans and were not willing to pay him what he felt he was worth I want to say it was an article in the Tribune or it was on ESPN 1000. Basically said it's nice to finally play for a team in Chicago that cares about winning.

I think it's almost all upon the White Sox. Jeff has stated how he disliked playing for the Cubs and the attitude they have up there. I think if the White Sox stay in it near the trade deadline and make a move to get better, he signs long term with the club and passes on FA. I'd be ok with 4/80 to 5/105

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 10:58 AM) Most of the time it was after a decision was made and something bad happened. It's called hindsight managing, its the newest craze. Or one says it prior to the disaster.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) That's fine, and I'm definitely not saying he's perfect or there's no need to improve. I've been baffled quite a bit at times. What I will say is that, from what I've seen of Ventura as a manager, he's perfectly adequate. I really hope you are right. I'd be quite happy with adequate.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 10:22 AM) I have no proof, and statistics show I'm wrong, but dagnabbit I'm gonna stick to my guns anyway! You're gonna have fun being the board's new whipping boy. We shall see. Perhaps I'll be the village idiot for the board. Perhaps not. Bu tI haven't seen any stats that show me that I am wrong, can you repost if you have them? The graph that was shown didn't do that and I pointed out the flaw in it though I admit it was nice to see.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) Which choices? It's hard to come to a place, say "he makes bad choices," not give examples, and be taken seriously. I addressed this already but I will repeat. I don't have the specifics and I'm ok with folks thinking otherwise. It was pretty darn obvious watching the games last year. But this is a new year and we will see and if you all don't "spaz out too much" I'll be here to comment with more specifics ok?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) What the data suggests is if you were unhappy with how Robin used his bullpen, you would have been unhappy with how just about every manager used his bullpen in 2014. Perhaps, but that is only speculation. We have no idea how anyone else would run the 2014 White Sox Pen.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 18, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) There's no data on it one way or another. But after last year's data, it's silly not to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not for me it's not. When I was watching the game and the decisions he made at times were just baffling. I'm hoping for improvement but I am very skeptical.

Buster Olney was on ESPN 1000 yesterday and said LaRoche was the best FA signing this offseason. He liked our offseason as #2 behind the Padres.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 09:22 PM) Totally true. It doesn't even prove RV is good with bullpen management in general - simply that he was very good LAST YEAR. There is no system yet to project this stuff going forward, and of course there are other aspects of managing, but one of the biggest complaints about Robin has been bullpen usage. He was very good compared to others using the graph, but not necessarily did a good performance historically, right?

Thanks. The graphs makes sense. I guess my beef would be he stuck with guys way too long as the graph shows.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) Would you like me to explain this graphic or do you understand what it shows? EDIT: Oh, and before you get off on the title of the graph, it's the name of the article, in which RV and the Sox are the "good example" of bullpen management, compared to Fredi Gonzalez's terrible management of the bullpen. Please do explain, including the X and Y values.

QUOTE (brett05 @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:33 PM) I'm not getting an options. I get like a send message, etc I went to my profile and then managed the ignored users list. Thanks whitesoxfan

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) ahhh I see, I misinterpreted your last post. It's subscriber only, huh? Ok well essentially the data shows that Robin was exceptionally good at riding the hot hand, playing his (crappy) relievers in the best spots to maximize their success, and didn't simply play the guys with the highest salaries and track records. (Belly + Lindstrom) A lot of managers fall into that trap - you just don't watch their games as religiously as the Sox. Given your position on riding hot hitters, you should applaud RV for his bullpen use of riding the hot pitchers, and instead of continuing to ride someone when they're playing poorly because of their track record, he made changes when needed. If I could see the data perhaps I'd change my tune. But from the quote you used that indicated 20/20 hindsight (aka season ending) I was critical all season long. I do not think he did what was best even though what he has was pretty much a load of trash.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:30 PM) It seems quite trivial to section them off like that. If a guy is hot, a guy is hot, and if he's not, then he's not. click on user name -> options drop down option -> ignore user I'm not getting an options. I get like a send message, etc

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) it doesn't matter when you were critical, the statistical analysis says you were wrong, and the RV was one of the best in the league at managing his bullpen. The analysis that I can't see????

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) I suggest you move along to WSI. Thanks for letting me know who you are. Is there an ignore feature on this site?

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:18 PM) Yea the reason you can't explain it is because it is a completely nonsensical ... statement to begin with. I suggest you go back to agreeing to disagree

QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) I'm glad you said that, because actually, his bullpen management has been some of the best in all of baseball To see the actual statistical facts, check out the article. RV did as well as he could've last year with the bullpen we had. Perfect Hindsight and Bullpen Management - Baseball Prospectus I can't read it all, but that said I was critical during the season, not just post.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) That seems incredibly subjective. Why hits in consecutive games? By this theory, if a guy goes 4-4 with 4 homers, then 0-4, then 4-4 with 4 homers, he's not hot. By definition it would be the end to the first and the beginning of the second.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) But I'd argue the alternate approach can make more sense. Case in point: George Kottaras Take a look at his numbers the past four or five years: http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...&position=C He's been a substantially above average hitter even compared to the LEAGUE, let alone compared to catchers, and yet he's never had more than about 200 plate appearances. Why wouldn't someone give him a full-time job? The answer is because he's been used in a strict platoon, which is where he is best positioned to succeed. As recently as 2010, he was getting a third of his at bats against lefties, and he was terrible. Since then, however, he hasn't picked up more than a quarter, and usually much less, and he's been awesome. Just by his numbers, you'd think he would deserve much more time. If his manager kept letting him play because he was successful, he probably would have mediocre numbers. Instead, they've used him strictly when he was most likely to succeed, and the result has been an extremely productive part-time player. 2014 he really didn't play. 2013 he stunk 2012 better left In general he stinks. How many times did he play back to back games with a hit in three years? Without looking I am going with none.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 17, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) That's too overly simplistic for me. Why does that end the streak? I have no idea how to explain it to you.