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QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) sad* Nice! Q left some nice things. All that was left in Sale's locker was a pair of scissors and a pile of scraps when he left.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) LOL. Rangers saw that deal and have now put Darvish on the market. Thank goodness Hahn struck when he did. Watch...Darvish to Milwaukee...LOL

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) KLaw thinks Eloy will be a star Lol...for now! Wait till he has to make his next list and watch all the "holes in Eloy's game" that start showing up in his write-up now that he's in the Sox' system. Keith Law sees our logo and instantly dumps.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) That would be bad publicity for the Sox I don't know--I might disagree. There is no longer the "2 teams going in opposite directions" story. Now when "White Sox" comes up, everyone jumps right to the "they are a team on the rise--they've done some great things to put them in a position to be successful in coming years" story. The picture painted is much more colorful than 8 months ago.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:10 AM) In general, there are about half a dozen other teams out there who this will be a dividing moment for. They will be able to look back and think if we had only given up a little bit more, we could have had Quintana. Not to mention having the potential story line developing of "Cubs turned everything around when they got Quintana from the White Sox." If that happens, it will be nice having that little White Sox Brand reminder peppered into the Cubs late-season coverage.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 09:36 AM) I wonder if Kap will now think Q is a top starter. Oh he ABSOLUTELY will!

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 09:35 AM) Top 2 guys have high-end possibilities, they are also still at lower levels so certainly risk associated with it. Will miss Q...truly a fantastic pitcher. LOVE that it was for Q ONLY...we still have our bullpen pieces to flip in other deals instead of them being throw-ins! Plus plenty of time to focus on other deals before the break!

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 09:23 AM) It's great that you admitted you were wrong. I guess the point is that sometimes things happen which you least expected. Is it usually a huge waste of our time? Yep. But that's half the fun! Not knowing what could possibly be happening. Otherwise, I wouldn't come to this subforum and I'd just wait, like some of my very serious Sox fan friends do, for the deals to be announced, so as not to waste their own time. So few things generate excitement anymore--Lord knows our team's play doesn't...but in the meantime, we're like dogs being tossed something to chew on. Sure, in the end it's just a bone...but it's fun to chew on.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 05:56 AM) http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&page=2_30 How many recent (last 18 month) top prospects, other than Judge, have lived up to their billing? Aaron Altherr was on nobody's radar. Chris Taylor? Schebler? Where the heck did those two come from? Maybe only Bellinger, Conforto, Sano, Trea Turner (injured), Inciarte...#26-30 on first page screen. Lesson, the Yankees and Dodgers know what they're doing? Be more careful with the Astros' prospects? The Reds know how to spot catchers/position prospects?? Benintendi probably just got left off your list. Tray Mancini looks pretty good in Baltimore.

It doesn't bother me what fans think about Quintana. They don't like him because he's not a big name or a flashy player. Every GM in the league is well aware of Q's value and will pony-up accordingly. Honestly, the GMs know better in this case.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 04:00 PM) Clearly Hahn likes when all GMs are in one place. Must use a tin can with a string for privacy. It's kind of like ABC's Bachelor...

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) Judge is a great story, but at some point he's gonna cool off. I kind of doubt he suddenly turned into one of the more prolific power hitters on this side of the steroid era. I think he's absolutely capable of being one of the more prolific power hitters this side of the steroid era...unless we find out he's juiced. 500+ft HR's don't just happen (unless you're Joe Borchard), let alone with regularity, and he mashed in the minors before coming up. It's the average that seems quite inflated to me.

QUOTE (pablo @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 02:28 PM) Count me in the "Judge will not hit MLB pitching" club as well. But I am glad to see the kid doing well - he's very easy to root for. My own opinion, but I would bet the Yankees would have dealt him for Sale or Q in the offseason. I'd assume Sox were asking about Sanchez, Torres, Frazier and Cashman wanted to start further down his prospect list like Mateo or Judge. He rhad a rough go at it last year, and the Yankees were really considering starting him in the minors this season but injuries forced him on the ML roster to start the year. So they didn't seem to be sold on him either. Oh well... I was down on Judge too! I'm just waiting this out to see how everything equalizes. The correction will happen, but the power is probably here to stay. He is not a .330 hitter. My guess is he will settle in somewhere between an Adam Dunn and Giancarlo Stanton line--in other words, a modern day, right-handed version of Jim Thome. I would assume with his large frame, we can expect injuries to be peppered in as a factor each year. Like we've seen with Stanton, that injury threat will alter some performance and overall statistical output for stretches of time, but when he's on, he's pretty much as dangerous as they come. The kid is certainly on Cloud 9 right now and believing there's not much he can't do.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) They're dangling Happ supposedly. They're kind of dangling in the standings now too...

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) I don't think Astros believe Q is a good fit for their park Same reason we should pass on Kershaw in his upcoming free agency...

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) That's probably true but I would do that trade in a heartbeat. Me too. They are so young and talented...they could all sit an additional year and still beat the MLB timeline before many of their peers and have the ability to be impact players. 3 for 1...yep...I'd do it.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) McGuffey's legit. I'd imagine he got a call from someone with the Sox leading to him deleting the tweet. There's a lot of smoke here. Brewers, Yanks, Braves and rockies are the teams. Sox preparing internally for the after effects of a Q trade. They don't want to wait until 7/31. They don't want to feel forced. I think they'll say they don't have to trade him but you can be sure they want to. I think we might be a bit disappointed with return as I've said before. One thing we can be sure of is this: if the deal is with the Yankees, Astros, Braves, or anyone who's been repeatedly linked to Q to this point, a completed trade is simply a culmination of weeks/months of negotiations where someone either tilts the scales enough with a player tweak or just gets anxious enough to get it done. The meat and potatoes of any Q deal with those teams, as far as what value the Sox have placed on him, has already been established. If the team he goes to is a NEW team that we haven't heard much from (Brewers) you can bet that the deal they offer exceeds the max that some of the other longer-tenured teams in the race have discussed to this point. The kind of deal where Hahn gives Cashman a final phone call and lets him know there's a deal in place unless he wants to totally ante up--where upon Cashman will decline, and then it will be sent in to the league notice. No deal will get done unless it falls within what the Sox determine to meet the high price they are putting on him.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) I just find it more likely that teams won't view the White Sox as serious sellers and will move on to teams that are negotiating honestly. This has all the potential of being too clever by half. Maybe. But we traded Chris Sale. I think they know we're serious! ha

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) But this relies on basically creating a facade of being irrational. Kind of! It's kind of like being effectively wild on the mound. Throw one to the backstop right before you ace someone on the corner. Keep them guessing! If you genuinely want someone we have and feel that he makes you a better team, that alone should be worth something more than a low-ball offer. Plus players know how an organization feels about them when they see who they give up to get them. Right away, they know...hmmm...do they have confidence in me or am I just a Hail Mary option? Their performance may reflect that expectation.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 08:26 AM) I am deeply skeptical of this point. I get it...but when negotiating you need to understand your bargaining position and not underestimate that bargaining position. If a team approaches you for something, you hold the cards. You're not going to over-value your player, but you're not going to be quick to just dump them--or teams will just wait you out to get what you have for nothing. We're going to lose some guys regardless of whether another team inquires. So just send a subtle message that waiting us out till we dump players isn't a good idea if you truly want someone.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 06:58 AM) I'm in Ft Wayne as well and I know what you mean. Well, sorta. He's not launched any personal attacks on me, but it's not been fun seeing what could have been a solid Sox prospect playing in my backyard everyday. Especially when I've been watching the guy he got traded for implode every 5 days. Haha! I MAY have been a little over-dramatic with the personal attack thing...either way...I feel your pain, neighbor!

QUOTE (KnightsOnMintSt @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 08:13 AM) Would like to see a Robertson trade sooner than later because I think what we could get for him (Plus maybe throwing in Kahnle or Swarzak) could really determine how badly we need to trade Q. Lets say the Nats give us Robles and a lotto ticket for Robertson and Kahnle. Then we could get some decent pieces for Cabrera, Frazier, Swarzak, Gonzalez and Holland. Do we then hold on to Q for the rebuild? I'd like to see him move soon too. I just don't see them moving Robles in any Robertson/bullpen package. Robles is their Moncada. Robertson is mid-tier closer material, they would have to be getting Chapman/Jansen to even consider Robles.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 06:56 AM) As said above by many, value is pretty much what the market says it is. Holding onto Frazier, Swarzak and Robertson (whose value plummets after July) would be bad. Melky is likely a waiver deal, due to lack of demand for OF who hit in the .750 OPS range and who don't defend well. Hahn has been slow in July, but that's one of his practices he needs to change (and in prior Julys, "we're still in it" provided some cover for eternal optimists). Demanding productive players on contending teams in these trades is not realistic. Something else to think about is the perception the league has of Hahn. In the same way we know of everyone else's needs they are looking to acquire, everyone knows of the players that we "need" to move and will be looking to exploit that by getting them cheap...as they should. I almost look at this and think that with the stakes being low on the season, guys like Frazier or Melky--choosing NOT to trade a guy away for nothing can send a more effective message to the GM's than being willing to heavily discount someone. You want Frazier or Melky for your stretch run, all you have to do is offer something of value or we will keep him--which really only hurts YOU because you've determined him to be an upgrade over what you have and we weren't going to get anything of much value anyway. So we eat one bad contract and miss out on a junk prospect...the message will be more clear to teams in the future--"Hey...when they say they'll just keep someone, they aren't bluffing." We might get more from future trades because of a move we DON'T make.

Kinda funny...I live in Fort Wayne and Tatis plays here for the TinCaps. They played an afternoon game today at home and the highlight on the 5:00 local news was Tatis drilling a triple off the right center field wall--right off the sponsored billboard that I designed for the small business I work for here in the Fort. I took it as a personal attack reminder of how good he is and how bad that trade was! He does look real good, but then again, Rymer Liriano was the last "greatest thing" to hit here...and well...you know him...

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) I like the proposed Yankee deal in the OP. Looks balanced for both sides. Funny thing is, despite already having talent such as Giolito/Lopez/Fulmer at Charlotte, if the Sox added Adams I think he becomes the #1 for first call up from that group of pitchers. Adams seems to have been flying low on most people's radars but man, the kid looks damn good. I'm totally with you on Adams. I'd LOVE to see him here somehow. Of all the top arms in MiLB...he seems like a very safe bet to be really good. The "Andrew Benintendi" of pitching prospects.