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Woodruff is the best pitcher out of the group rumored to be available. Not only is he currently the best pitcher, he has the most years of control with four. As a comparison, if acquired, he will still be under contract a year after Giolito is currently set to become a FA. Keuchel will be gone as well. He becomes a huge part of our core. Unfortunately, because this all sounds so wonderful, it’s going to be expensive enough where no one with the Sox is will consider. This is one trade that actually will cost Kopech, Vaughn, and a decent amount more. The Sox are just not set up in a comfortable enough position to trade two players expected to play at a high level on the ML roster the next 5-7 years. For cheap. If they could somehow manage to only give up one of them, you pull the trigger without a doubt. And we won’t lose sleep if we had to use Madrigal to get Woodruff to join the top of our rotation for the next 4 years. Castillo has the most potential and second best pitcher, also one less year of control, and Reds will probably demand something close to Woodruff. There is no match here because if the Sox were willing to give that up, I’d imagine it’s going to Woodruff (if still available). i would trade for Grey as he’s also under team control for three years and I’m guessing will be much cheaper than Castillo. If we can get him for multiple players outside of our top 5, I’m honestly not very concerned about who they are. I’m also a lot less concerned giving up prospects who aren’t close to having a role on the team and the acquired player has decent control. Not sure we have the mid tier guys to get this done, if it becomes a bidding war. Musgrove is another guy I’d love the Sox to acquire. I don’t want to get into the argument I quickly jumped out as it started, but he looks really nice at the back end of our rotation. He’s also a guy that has potential to follow up Kopech’s 10k game with 12k. It will be fun staff to watch. Musgrove has the least amount of control so you can’t overpay for him since we already just traded a potential 6 year player for a one year player. We cannot give up anything expected to play a role with this ML team the next few years. We need to keep adding, not teetering every move we make. I also don’t want to deplete the farm, but during our window we do have a ton of time to keep building the system having so many fixtures on the roster. A group with Stiever and a few other 8-20 type guys is perfectly fine with me. It gives us a very strong looking rotation for at least the next two. We can easily replace the guys we shipped in this package. I’m not entirely sure that gets the deal done though. I talked a lot.

Not sure why no one has ever said this to me before. If I’m hiring Sir. Nolan, I’m going back a little further to make my life more interesting.

I’ll do it because I can tell you care.

I don’t know, man. I feel like the entire board has been different since experiencing my presence. A lot of people feel it. I don’t know if it’s just the power talking, but I don’t want people to stop feeling it.

What year was this?

Am I the ignored person?

Sorry, I thought I might have gone a little too far with this one and the 28 minutes of no responses confirms that. Not sure what happened here.

I like Soxtalk because the “hyperbole” is bountiful, but the subsequent dashing dialogue about, not only the meaning of the word, but the art of its usage.

All you guys talk about is “hyperbole.”

Colome got the job done the last few years, and that is because he’s mastered a craft, one that is not driven by crazy talent. I am worried, will he have to re-master his craft when his stuff begins regressing more over the next few years. It’s possible he could get even smarter with his pitch selection and when/how to use his cutter. I’d just rather not bank on that. Give me the guy who misses more bats and puts less runners on base. I am also a big fan of high energy, dominating closers. I feel like it just brings something extra to the team. I also think the guys playing behind Hendriks will be more confident and comfortable during the 9th inning. If we end up with Colome, I won’t be like upset especially if it’s cheap, and because we have in house options. I just think it’s time to go in a different direction. As far as overpaying for Hendriks, I do understand it’s not our money, but it does dictates what other moves we make, including unloading prospects. I also don’t want them “running out of money.“ If they did have 25mil to spend and I had confidence they would spend it wisely to fill multiple holes, I’d be more against spending a lot on Hendriks. But I do not trust them to make those moves with the extra money, so when they are heavily rumored to finally spend big money, and the player they are spending on is elite, I fucking want this move to happen so badly. We are spending a lot of money on an elite player! Both are things we should be celebrating. I understand the money could potentially be used to get more value at another position, could be used more efficiently to fill multiple holes, etc., but they realistically could also not spend it all, or spend it on a bunch of garbage who don’t add up to Hendriks as a whole. Spend money on the elite player who will make the White Sox a better team. I’d rather deal with the consequences of this signing this offseason. I’m sure they will be able to grab a couple more guys anyways. And I’m writing this with an understanding that at times, this contract won’t be great over whole 4 years, but it’s not a contract that will cripple this team. There might even be decent opportunity to trade him depending on the situation over his contract.

It’s cute how you two so generously and selflessly provide each other with reading recommendations.

I honestly do not think a trade with Stiever as the “headliner” gets it done. If Stiever is in the package, the other piece(s) would be almost equal.

Right, there were more pitchers who weren’t strikeouts guys, but high strikeout pitchers still existed. Koch was not one of them, and even at his highest strikeout rate, he just barely had a 2/1 SO/BB rate (2.02). That’s not good, especially for a reliever. His 1.27 WHIP that season was also far from dominant. Foulke was a more overpowering pitcher sitting in the low 90s. Obviously, I’m still pissed off about this trade, ha.

Thanks for saving me time of citing stats, lol. I was pissed when that trade was made because not only was Keith Foulke my favorite pitcher at the time, he was the superior reliever. The most value Koch provided in his “good” season in 2002 was his amount of appearances and innings, which most likely led to his massive drop in velocity the next season with the Sox. All his other numbers were very pedestrian.

Billy Koch was never good.

I also never said anything about Musgrove being a “star.”

I am not misrepresenting the argument. There’s been a lot of different points being made and argued within your exact interpretation/description of “the argument.” The Giolito and Katz point is irrelevant to me saying López could realistically end up being the worst pitcher in baseball next year. I also don’t think we can sit here and expect a Hail Mary from Katz on López or any of our young pitchers for that matter. I’m hopeful but it doesn’t change how bad of a pitcher López is right now and very well could be next year as well. I’m confused why López should even be a talking point in defense of acquiring Musgrove. López is a non-factor at this point in a quest to start wining championships immediately. You can keep cherry picking good starts and bad Musgrove starts, but his peripherals are consistently superior to López. And the way we look at pitchers is way off if now you’re also comparing Stiever to Dunning in terms of a pitcher, prospect, talent, trade asset. That’s just not accurate right now, I’m sorry.

I do not get how people think having Musgrove in the rotation is the same or even worse than López. I also don’t think WAR should be used as a basis for who is a better pitcher, or even who has better statistics. I find it far more useful and accurate for generally quantifying a position player. There’s really not much you need to look at to see how much better Musgrove is currently, but also how much better of a position he is in to progress next season. López could easily be the worst pitcher in the league next year. Also, everyone is overvaluing Stiever. He will not be headlining any package for a player like Musgrove with more than one year of control. If Stiever is at the front of the trade, he will be paired with multiple equally “good” prospects.

Thanks, people who respond, and for the information. I’d use Google, but this seems like such a subjective thing for me to get a gauge on without following for a while.

Thank you.

Is Cespedes generally being looked at as a better signing than Colas around the industry?

Is Cespedes generally being looked at as a better signing than Colas around the industry?

If it ain’t broke, right?

Do you believe you can change? There’s clearly no reason for you to ever change, but if it was for the best?

What are you trying to accomplish?