1 hour ago, soxfan49 said:

So the odds are that 30/30 (at worst, 25/30) MLB GM's believe this guy is worthy of a top 5 pick but yeah you're right

I'm not saying that he's not worth the pick or anything like that, he's just a pick that goes against my philosophy. I wouldn't have picked Madrigal last year either. I disagree with the way the Sox draft in general. 

Edited February 24, 20197 yr by Jack Parkman

18 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I'm not saying that he's not worth the pick or anything like that, he's just a pick that goes against my philosophy. I wouldn't have picked Madrigal last year either. I disagree with the way the Sox draft in general. 

I think to take a guy like Madrigal as high as they did, he has to have plus defense at SS to make up for his lack of power.  Hearing that his arm is too weak for SS is a bit disconcerting.

Edited February 24, 20197 yr by Harper2Sox

You won't be able to trade him at this point rosters are pretty much already set. If anything I'd look to acquire Martinez.

22 minutes ago, Harper2Sox said:

I think to take a guy like Madrigal as high as they did, he has to have plus defense at SS to make up for his lack of power.  Hearing that his arm is too weak for SS is a bit disconcerting.

He was never going to be a starting SS at the big league level...

Just now, caulfield12 said:

He was never going to be a starting SS at the big league level...

Then I probably wouldn’t draft a David Eckstein type.

10 minutes ago, Harper2Sox said:

Then I probably wouldn’t draft a David Eckstein type.

Eckstein was never anything close to the best pure hitter in his college class.  He’ll be fine, he’s probably the one aspect of this rebuild I’m least worried about busting.

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Eckstein was never anything close to the best pure hitter in his college class.  He’ll be fine, he’s probably the one aspect of this rebuild I’m least worried about busting.

I'm not worried about him busting per se, but he's definitely not worth a top 5 pick either. It depends on what he does. IMO he has to turn into Ichiro at 2B in order to be worth a top 5 pick. 

Edited February 24, 20197 yr by Jack Parkman

51 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I'm not worried about him busting per se, but he's definitely not worth a top 5 pick either. It depends on what he does. IMO he has to turn into Ichiro at 2B in order to be worth a top 5 pick. 

That’s HoF numbers.  Even with the #3 pick, you’re looking at 1/50 or 1/75 in terms of Hall of Fame candidates over the entire history of the draft from that spot.

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

That’s HoF numbers.  Even with the #3 pick, you’re looking at 1/50 or 1/75 in terms of Hall of Fame candidates over the entire history of the draft from that spot.

I know. Maybe not that good, but he has to be hitting .320 every year. I can't find a way that he's acceptable without being a HOF level hitter. Because if he's not, he's just bad or below average at that point. 

Edited February 24, 20197 yr by Jack Parkman

1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:

I know. Maybe not that good, but he has to be hitting .320 every year. I can't find a way that he's acceptable without being a HOF level hitter. Because if he's not, he's just bad or below average at that point. 

With his defense alone at 2B, he will be worth 1.5-2.0 alone...that’s if he was just a league average 2B offensively, because his defense is at Gold Glove level already, just not at SS due to arm limitations.

Edited February 24, 20197 yr by caulfield12

If abreu is healthy and has a good start he has aome trade value but only if the sox eat like half of his salary which I hope they will do.

Unfortunately abreu often is a bit bad in cold weather and doesn't start that well though.

16 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

Jose can still really hit. Would have no problem with a 3 year extension in the $45M range. 

Fully expect this, or 4/$60

I don't think there's much reason to try to extend Abreu now considering how weak the market has been for 1B in both free agency and trades. You needlessly introduce risk that he declines this year and wastes your money when you know you won't have to break the bank to retain him if he has a really big year.

If Abreu has another declining season, it should be obvious to the Sox to pass.  But they will probably just use it to extend him on the cheap instead.