October 13, 200322 yr If this team kept Sully, Brought in Hawkins, brought in Millwood/Ponson and a 5th starter. Mix that with spending maybe 3-4 mill at shortstop and I'd be extremely happy. If they had to deal Konerko/Koch/Maggs/Lose Thomas then I wouldn't be concerned. I'm assuming they would get value for Maggs.
October 13, 200322 yr If they had to deal Konerko/Koch/Maggs/Lose Thomas then I wouldn't be concerned. I'm assuming they would get value for Maggs. If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways.
October 13, 200322 yr If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways. I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs.
October 13, 200322 yr If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways. I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs. Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once.
October 13, 200322 yr If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways. I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs. Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once. Crap, sorry I meant Atlanta this year.
October 13, 200322 yr If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways. I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs. Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once. Crap, sorry I meant Atlanta this year. No problem. I meant to say World Series instead of divisions. We all make mistakes.
October 13, 200322 yr If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways. All of his quotes seem to say he wants to build his team around pitching, pitching, speed, defense, and more pitching. And I for one back that idea to the Nth degree. Now I hope they follow through with it. I will have an open mind this offseason if they deal some of the socalled stars to make room for pitching and talented speedsters. The only thing I care about is the product on the field and I don't care what they have to do to get the right combination out there.
October 13, 200322 yr If this team hasn't learned that offense don't win divisions after the past 2 seasons, then they'll never learn. Pitching should be the sought after commodity this offseason. Hopefully KW has seen the error's of his ways. I beg to differ, offenses can win division (see Atlanta and Cleveland throughout the 90s). Are offense wasn't consistent at all though. We would have 10 run outbursts followed by a 1 or 2 run performance. Offenses can win divisions but it doesn't win in the playoffs. Atlanta's pitching won the divisions in the 90's. Cleveland..... I'll give you that one. But Cleveland didn't win any WS's even though they did get to the big one once. Cleveland had no competition.
October 13, 200322 yr Here is a list of free agent pitchers for next season. Who do you guys like... and who do you think would fit in our equation. (STARTERS) Bartolo Colon Kevin Milwood Greg Maddux Sidney Ponson Andy Pettite Cory Lidle Kelvim Escobar Pedro Astacio Kevin Appier Brian Anderson Ismael Valdes John Burkett Kenny Rogers Jose Lima Wilson Alvarez Shawn Estes Jeff D’Amico Sterling Hitchcock Robert Person Garrett Stephenson Glendon Rusch Rick Helling Ron Villone (Possible Non-Tenders) Freddy Garcia, A.J. Burnett, Tony Armas Jr., Orlando Hernandez, Jason Johnson, Brett Tomko, Scott Elarton, Ryan Dempster (RELIEVERS) Keith Foulke Tom Gordon Eddie Guardado Latroy Hawkins Rod Beck Tim Worrell Armando Benitez Shigitoshi Hasagawa Jose Mesa Jeff Nelson Mike Timlin Arthur Rhodes Dave Veres Curtis Leskanic Antonio Alfonseca Terry Adams Julian Tavarez Dan Plesac Steve Kline Antonio Osuna Bobby Howry (Possible Non-Tenders) Jose Jimenez, Danys Baez, Cliff Politte, Scott Sauerbeck, Scott Strickland, Scott Schoeneweis, Valerio De Los Santos, John Halama, Jaret Wright, Tanyon Sturtze, Dennys Reyes (Pitchers with Options) Esteban Loaiza - RHP White Sox - $3.5 million team option with a $150,000 buyout Derek Lowe - RHP Red Sox - $5 million team option with a $500,000 buyout Hideo Nomo - RHP Dodgers - $8 million team option with a $1.5 million buyout Russ Ortiz - RHP Braves - $5.7 million team option with a $300,000 buyout David Wells - LHP Yankees - $6 million team option with a $1 million buyout Miguel Batista - RHP Diamondbacks - $5 million team option with a $300,000 buyout Jeff Suppan - RHP Red Sox - $4 million team option with a $500,000 buyout Pat Hentgen - RHP Orioles - $4 million team option with a $300,000 buyout Robb Nen - RHP Giants - $9 million player option Matt Mantei - RHP Diamondbacks - $7 million player option Trevor Hoffman - RHP Padres - $10 million team option with a $2 million buyout Gabe White - LHP Yankees - $3.5 million team option with a $250,000 buyout Scott Sullivan - RHP White Sox - $3.1 million team option with a $250,000 buyout Rheal Cormier - LHP Philles - $3 million team option with a $300,000 buyout Felix Rodriguez - RHP Giants - $5 million team option, $3.05 million player option Mike DeJean - RHP Cardinals - $2.5 million team option with a $200,000 buyout Mike Williams - RHP Phillies - $4 million team option with a $1.5 million buyout Mark Guthrie - LHP Cubs - $2.2 million team option with a $300,000 buyout Steve Reed - RHP Rockies - $1.15 million team option with a $300,000 buyout Felix Heredia - LHP Yankees - $1.7 million player option with a $350,000 buyout Kerry Ligtenberg - RHP Orioles - $1.2 million team option with a $200,000 buyout Joey Eischen - LHP Expos - $1.3 million team option with a $50,000 buyout Ray King - LHP Braves - $1 million team option with a $100,000 buyout Jeff Fassero - LHP Cardinals - $1.5 million team option with a $250,000 buyout Rick White - RHP Astros - $1.3 million team option with a $150,000 buyout As for the Starters I would to pickup 2 Colon and Either Ponson, Pettite heck or even Maddux. As a leser pickup Brian Anderson or Kelvim Escobar are OK As for the Pen.. Gordon, Hawkins or even Hasegawa. Non tenders that interest me Freddy Garcia mand Danys Baez and if A.J Burnet would be ok......
October 13, 200322 yr I feel like all of you guys do when you read that list - I salivate, close my eyes, dream, and then sigh. We have to remember that we are still dealing with a limited payroll. Believe me, Kenny will do everything but run through a brick wall to keep Bartolo Colon. But if he doesn't, then he will slightly lean for quantity over quality - meaning he'll go out and sign two "mid-range" FA's who could win anywhere from 14-20 games potentially. I want Bartolo back, but if we CAN'T get him back, then two solid quality starters would be a viable alternative. Look at it this way - Bartolo Colon and Wright/Rauch/Cotts would theoretically win 26-28 games combined next year. If we sign two quality "mid-range" guys, we could still get 26-28 wins combined - OR MORE. For the first time in 4 years, I have complete faith in Kenny Williams. Did I just say that?
October 15, 200322 yr I guess people around here hate me so much that they don't even respond to this topic - no matter how important it is to the future of our team. Okay! I won't stop posting - I will continue to haunt and bother all of you losers who couldn't assemble a major league roster if your ass was gold. Since you're not reading, then I guess it won't insult you if I say - f*** YOU!!! And SUCK MY ASS. Whoa dude. Don't take it personally. Sometimes a thread just dies. It happens all the time.
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