On 1/28/2025 at 3:58 PM, WestEddy said:

You have no standing to say a person commits abuse on their partner. Unless you're saying they told you. Then you would have to present any evidence of that. You're pretending Ms. Finestead (and other women Finestead alluded to) made up her story, produced pictures of somebody else's bruises, when she actually submitted all of that under oath during an investigation. 

If you made that accusation, and couldn't back it up with evidence, you could be found liable for slander. Ms. Finestead made the accusation, then presented evidence under oath. That holds much more weight than the ridiculous claim you're making. 

So if I produced a photo showing an unknown mark on an unknown person’s skin I should be fine then

1 hour ago, 46DidIt said:

So if I produced a photo showing an unknown mark on an unknown person’s skin I should be fine then

Yes, you can accuse anybody of anything. If you have no connection to the people you're accusing, like what you're alluding to by saying people here abuse their spouses, a police department wouldn't investigate, just based on your word, because you don't have standing, or any evidence that you have credible knowledge of an abusive situation. So, no, you can't just presume that everybody on Earth is guilty of spousal abuse until they prove otherwise. You can hold that nonsensical thought in your head, but nobody would act on or be influenced by it. 

You're trying to mix a real situation with nonsensical hypotheticals. If Mike Clevenger was so injured by her "false" accusation, that he's losing millions of dollars in earnings, he can certainly take her to court and sue her. Taylor Swift famously counter-sued a DJ claiming he lost his job over her accusation of groping. She counter sued for (and won) one dollar and cleared her own name from being called a liar. Clevenger can easily do that. He chooses not to. Probably because the details of his relationship would then become public, and we would know what MLB knows. 

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yes, you can accuse anybody of anything. If you have no connection to the people you're accusing, like what you're alluding to by saying people here abuse their spouses, a police department wouldn't investigate, just based on your word, because you don't have standing, or any evidence that you have credible knowledge of an abusive situation. So, no, you can't just presume that everybody on Earth is guilty of spousal abuse until they prove otherwise. You can hold that nonsensical thought in your head, but nobody would act on or be influenced by it. 

You're trying to mix a real situation with nonsensical hypotheticals. If Mike Clevenger was so injured by her "false" accusation, that he's losing millions of dollars in earnings, he can certainly take her to court and sue her. Taylor Swift famously counter-sued a DJ claiming he lost his job over her accusation of groping. She counter sued for (and won) one dollar and cleared her own name from being called a liar. Clevenger can easily do that. He chooses not to. Probably because the details of his relationship would then become public, and we would know what MLB knows. 

Yeah in these legal hypotheticals, you can also go completely to the opposite side and say since she wasn't found guilty of libel/slander, she obvious didn't lie because she was never found guilty of it.  That's not accurate either though.  Not being able to prove something happened with a confidence level that is high enough to work for what MLB was looking for, doesn't mean it didn't happen, they are innocent, exonerated, or anything else.  It just means they didn't mean MLB's threshold for assigning a penalty.  That's it.  Especially since it seems like the most likely scenario is that they didn't get cooperation out a witness who had a disincentive to make sure that this guy never worked again.