Luhnow created the foundation of a team that has gone to the playoffs 9 out of the past 10 years...won two WS...and won 4 out of 7 AL Championships from 2017 to 2023.

Getz and Luhnow don't belong in the same sentence together.

 

"But now, eight years after Luhnow left the Cardinals and went on to shape the juggernaut Astros, Cardinals fans are starting to see the hole his departure left behind.

Many members of the Cardinals’ front office didn’t fully embrace Luhnow’s unique approach to analytics, and he became a controversial figure around the organization. But when he delivered results draft after draft, the tide started to turn in his favor. Now, after an Astros championship with Luhnow as the general manager, he seems to be the head architect of baseball success.

But Luhnow didn’t seem to be truly appreciated until he worked his magic with the Astros, transforming them from basement dwellers to World Series champions. The Astros are now the leader in analytics among MLB teams — the position the Cardinals held several years ago."

15 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Luhnow created the foundation of a team that has gone to the playoffs 9 out of the past 10 years...won two WS...and won 4 out of 7 AL Championships from 2017 to 2023.

Getz and Luhnow don't belong in the same sentence together.

 

"But now, eight years after Luhnow left the Cardinals and went on to shape the juggernaut Astros, Cardinals fans are starting to see the hole his departure left behind.

Many members of the Cardinals’ front office didn’t fully embrace Luhnow’s unique approach to analytics, and he became a controversial figure around the organization. But when he delivered results draft after draft, the tide started to turn in his favor. Now, after an Astros championship with Luhnow as the general manager, he seems to be the head architect of baseball success.

But Luhnow didn’t seem to be truly appreciated until he worked his magic with the Astros, transforming them from basement dwellers to World Series champions. The Astros are now the leader in analytics among MLB teams — the position the Cardinals held several years ago."

I'm confused. You seem to indicate that Luhnow's success came AFTER his historic run of failure with the Astros, in which case, nobody would have known at that time that Luhnow turning the Astros into a meme for failure would result in playoff success. Luhnow was hired by the Cardinals with zero baseball experience, and zero front office experience, so Chris Getz was way ahead of him there. 

Chris Getz won't be gifted 3 first overall draft choices like Luhnow was (and completely botched two of them - imagine if Chris Getz did that!) Luhnow also lost the Astros 2 other first rounders due to his cheating, so yeah, I agree with you, since Jeff Luhnow had so many breaks and still cheated his way out of the game, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chris Getz. 

According to many here, by the time Luhnow was finishing off his 2nd progressively worse 100-loss season, he should have been fired. 

Normally I don't like personal attacks, (same with the comments on Bartolo Colon) but Lance's lack of conditioning did likely cost us. But I'm glad he publicly said what he said 

26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I'm confused. You seem to indicate that Luhnow's success came AFTER his historic run of failure with the Astros, in which case, nobody would have known at that time that Luhnow turning the Astros into a meme for failure would result in playoff success. Luhnow was hired by the Cardinals with zero baseball experience, and zero front office experience, so Chris Getz was way ahead of him there. 

Chris Getz won't be gifted 3 first overall draft choices like Luhnow was (and completely botched two of them - imagine if Chris Getz did that!) Luhnow also lost the Astros 2 other first rounders due to his cheating, so yeah, I agree with you, since Jeff Luhnow had so many breaks and still cheated his way out of the game, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Chris Getz. 

According to many here, by the time Luhnow was finishing off his 2nd progressively worse 100-loss season, he should have been fired. 

Name one new GM who has ever been fired before Year 3 of a complete rebuild?

Most have been given 3-4 years at a minimum.

Chaim Bloom even got almost four years...but had Boston in the AL Championship series in Year 2 and then was forced to let Betts and Bogaerts go by John Henry.

23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Name one new GM who has ever been fired before Year 3 of a complete rebuild?

Most have been given 3-4 years at a minimum.

Chaim Bloom even got almost four years...but had Boston in the AL Championship series in Year 2 and then was forced to let Betts and Bogaerts go by John Henry.

I'm not the one acting flabbergasted that a GM oversaw a losing record in the first year of a rebuild and kept his job. You're basically proving to everyone that Getz does not "deserve" to be fired after last year, and certainly not after 13 games of this season.