How the heck did we not get DeVries for Crochet?

[Princess Dye]

Maybe Padres were scared of Crochet reliability but wow...they just traded DeVries for a guy who pitches an inning here and there

White Sox the last two deadlines might be a little focused on guys who are ready to get to MLB soon. A function of how Getz has to prove himself to Jerry, Ishbia (all of MLB) that he is a real GM, and has Jerry's remaining lifetime to do so.

Not saying he is making bad decisions but some of the decisions are veering win-soon, more so than win-later. I hope the franchise is kept in good health with decent decisions, in so doing.

Edited August 4 by Princess Dye

[southsider2k5]

Hopefully the answer is that Peller wouldn't give him up at the time.

[Princess Dye]

Also on this note, about proving GMness... is ...we assume Dombrowski leaked to Nightengale that Getz is difficult, but maybe Getz is leaking ..that Getz is difficult. lol.

[Quin]

I think the better question is that of the Padres 2024 top prospects, how did we get #5 (Thorpe), #7 (Zavala) and #8 (Iriarte) and not ask for the #6 shortstop (De Vries).

[greg775]

On 8/4/2025 at 10:30 AM, Princess Dye said:

Not saying he is making bad decisions but some of the decisions are veering win-soon, more so than win-later.

If you are a GM in the small market Central Division it's unacceptable to not try to "win soon,"

[caulfield12]

The Padres don't have the type of money now to pay the amount Boston extended him for...

And the White Sox still probably needed that pure SS in Carson with Colson M. sliding to 3B.

SD doesn't believe de Vries will stick at SS as he grows out of the position over the next 2-3 years.

 

And their #3 guy (traded in deal) wasn't that hyped last year.

B.Montgomery and Teel > de Vries

But those who believe de Vries will be a superstar despite leaving SS would go with him.

That said, Campbell was off the table for Crochet and he's really struggled this season compared to expectations after making the massive prospect jump last year.

 

Also SD at the time wouldn't trade de Vries AND Salas.

 

Edited August 5 by caulfield12

[oldsox]

7 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The Padres don't have the type of money now to pay the amount Boston extended him for...

And the White Sox still probably needed that pure SS in Carson with Colson M. sliding to 3B.

SD doesn't believe de Vries will stick at SS as he grows out of the position over the next 2-3 years.

 

And their #3 guy (traded in deal) wasn't that hyped last year.

B.Montgomery and Teel > de Vries

But those who believe de Vries will be a superstar despite leaving SS would go with him.

That said, Campbell was off the table for Crochet and he's really struggled this season compared to expectations after making the massive prospect jump last year.

 

Also SD at the time wouldn't trade de Vries AND Salas.

 

Together or individually?

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, oldsox said:

Together or individually?

Combined together vs. individual value of de Vries

Edited August 6 by caulfield12

[nrockway]

How do we know we even want the guy? Why was SD so keen on giving up him up for a 'closer' (who can probably start)? Because Preller will be out of a job by the time he arrives in the MLB and it's not his problem? de Vries has incredible stats for his young age, but can we assume he has a much higher ceiling when he's, say, 25? or will he top out at AAA at age 19? Evidently he has a very 'advanced approach', but so did Colson. Compare "Player X has impressed evaluators with his ability to make advanced swing decisions for a youngster, rarely chasing pitches out of the strike zone while laying off difficult offerings and pounding the ones he should. He has focused on controlling the zone, using the entire field and making consistent hard contact early in his pro career." 

to

"Player Y already shows an exquisite knowledge of the zone and will take his walks like he's a player many years older...and that speaks well to how he'll handle higher levels, something he continued to show with low strikeout and high walk rates.

Which player is which? One of the players has a bunch of power, the other might hit for a higher average, but is at .242 for his pro career. He is 18 playing against 23-year-olds of course. Neither one projected/projects as a great defensive shortstop. Something tells me the Athletics organization didn't do much scouting beyond looking at what scouts have already written and compiled into the Pipeline/BBA top 100/etc. I dunno, I thought we got a really good package for Crochet. Montgomery will be the best player in the trade and we also got a couple other guys who are clearly MLB caliber. Three (or four, jury's out on Willkommen) every day players vs an 18-year-old who is advanced for his age. Maybe higher reward to go for the young guy, but I can't be mad about the decision (if there even was a decision to be made...maybe SD doesn't want to re-sign Crochet and prefers a controllable flamethrower who can probably follow the same path Crochet did to starting). I think it was the right idea to go for 'older' players.

Also think it's interesting that Pipeline seems more bullish on 18,19-year-olds in their prospect rankings this most recent update. Is Konnor Griffin actually the #1 prospect? I wanted to draft him, but I think generally they wait until more than 400 ABs before being so aggressive on the rankings. There are 4 18/19-year-olds in the top 10. I looked at Pipeline rankings since 2020, and the youngest player in the top 10 was 20 at the time. Most of these guys were 22 or 23. Seems to be the case that players are debuting younger and probably have better professional training in their teens than they did a decade ago. But will they be 'better' in their MLB years?

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, nrockway said:

How do we know we even want the guy? Why was SD so keen on giving up him up for a 'closer' (who can probably start)? Because Preller will be out of a job by the time he arrives in the MLB and it's not his problem? de Vries has incredible stats for his young age, but can we assume he has a much higher ceiling when he's, say, 25? or will he top out at AAA at age 19? Evidently he has a very 'advanced approach', but so did Colson. Compare "Player X has impressed evaluators with his ability to make advanced swing decisions for a youngster, rarely chasing pitches out of the strike zone while laying off difficult offerings and pounding the ones he should. He has focused on controlling the zone, using the entire field and making consistent hard contact early in his pro career." 

to

"Player Y already shows an exquisite knowledge of the zone and will take his walks like he's a player many years older...and that speaks well to how he'll handle higher levels, something he continued to show with low strikeout and high walk rates.

Which player is which? One of the players has a bunch of power, the other might hit for a higher average, but is at .242 for his pro career. He is 18 playing against 23-year-olds of course. Neither one projected/projects as a great defensive shortstop. Something tells me the Athletics organization didn't do much scouting beyond looking at what scouts have already written and compiled into the Pipeline/BBA top 100/etc. I dunno, I thought we got a really good package for Crochet. Montgomery will be the best player in the trade and we also got a couple other guys who are clearly MLB caliber. Three (or four, jury's out on Willkommen) every day players vs an 18-year-old who is advanced for his age. Maybe higher reward to go for the young guy, but I can't be mad about the decision (if there even was a decision to be made...maybe SD doesn't want to re-sign Crochet and prefers a controllable flamethrower who can probably follow the same path Crochet did to starting). I think it was the right idea to go for 'older' players.

Also think it's interesting that Pipeline seems more bullish on 18,19-year-olds in their prospect rankings this most recent update. Is Konnor Griffin actually the #1 prospect? I wanted to draft him, but I think generally they wait until more than 400 ABs before being so aggressive on the rankings. There are 4 18/19-year-olds in the top 10. I looked at Pipeline rankings since 2020, and the youngest player in the top 10 was 20 at the time. Most of these guys were 22 or 23. Seems to be the case that players are debuting younger and probably have better professional training in their teens than they did a decade ago. But will they be 'better' in their MLB years?

Ethan Salas was untouchable two years ago and now his prospect status is question mark city at best.

So hard to judge and especially project players at 16-19 years old.

Holliday looked like a slam dunk superstar and now he's still putting up just a pedestrian 700ish ops in his bounce back year for Baltimore. Same with the much more advanced Rutschman.

[JPR]

How the heck did the bears miss out on Aaron’s Donald to the Rams?  These questions will never be answered.  I have a question for you.  Is outer space or the ocean more explored?  Was Jon Garland a better pitcher than any SP for the white Sox in the last ten years?  Get Noah up here 

[caulfield12]

7 hours ago, nrockway said:

How do we know we even want the guy? Why was SD so keen on giving up him up for a 'closer' (who can probably start)? Because Preller will be out of a job by the time he arrives in the MLB and it's not his problem? de Vries has incredible stats for his young age, but can we assume he has a much higher ceiling when he's, say, 25? or will he top out at AAA at age 19? Evidently he has a very 'advanced approach', but so did Colson. Compare "Player X has impressed evaluators with his ability to make advanced swing decisions for a youngster, rarely chasing pitches out of the strike zone while laying off difficult offerings and pounding the ones he should. He has focused on controlling the zone, using the entire field and making consistent hard contact early in his pro career." 

to

"Player Y already shows an exquisite knowledge of the zone and will take his walks like he's a player many years older...and that speaks well to how he'll handle higher levels, something he continued to show with low strikeout and high walk rates.

Which player is which? One of the players has a bunch of power, the other might hit for a higher average, but is at .242 for his pro career. He is 18 playing against 23-year-olds of course. Neither one projected/projects as a great defensive shortstop. Something tells me the Athletics organization didn't do much scouting beyond looking at what scouts have already written and compiled into the Pipeline/BBA top 100/etc. I dunno, I thought we got a really good package for Crochet. Montgomery will be the best player in the trade and we also got a couple other guys who are clearly MLB caliber. Three (or four, jury's out on Willkommen) every day players vs an 18-year-old who is advanced for his age. Maybe higher reward to go for the young guy, but I can't be mad about the decision (if there even was a decision to be made...maybe SD doesn't want to re-sign Crochet and prefers a controllable flamethrower who can probably follow the same path Crochet did to starting). I think it was the right idea to go for 'older' players.

Also think it's interesting that Pipeline seems more bullish on 18,19-year-olds in their prospect rankings this most recent update. Is Konnor Griffin actually the #1 prospect? I wanted to draft him, but I think generally they wait until more than 400 ABs before being so aggressive on the rankings. There are 4 18/19-year-olds in the top 10. I looked at Pipeline rankings since 2020, and the youngest player in the top 10 was 20 at the time. Most of these guys were 22 or 23. Seems to be the case that players are debuting younger and probably have better professional training in their teens than they did a decade ago. But will they be 'better' in their MLB years?

Another big consideration is that DeVries was at least 2 1/2 to 3 years away from the big leagues, having only debuted in A ball.

Braden Montgomery has already jumped him in four months.

Then you had Teel Meidroth and even W.Gonzalez ready to contribute this year...waiting that long for Getz with Colson foundering and no pay off for fans until at least late 2026/early 2027 would have been a massive risk because there were so many holes to fill in the Sox future lineup.

All depends on whether scouts believe de Vries can stick at big league SS or not.