maggsmaggs Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Who is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Well if there is any truth to the Kevin Brown rumor, then it is most likely both the Sox and Dodgers delaying equally. Both teams seem like they are waiting for some free agents to get signed, arbitration offered, etc. I expect that after Dec 7th we will have a much better picture of what is going on. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Well, I only hope that trade for kevin brown will happen but what about the dodgers? they all ready have a short stop izitrous or whatever his name is allready the starter. Where would valentin play, I am assuming that izitrous would have to be involved in this also. With that trade and the sox and dodgers practicly swaping players becaues the money is almost the same give or take a few dollars. and with the slight hope of bartolo signing with us as a last resort. Our rotation would be one of the best in the majors with 1.Loaiza, Colon, Brown, Buerhle, and garland as our starters. HEck it is ok to dream right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 BJ, I think you could get Bartolo goodbye in that instance, although you right, that would be sweet. As far as the Konerko deal, fact is Evans didn't want to make the move. Sure the papers reported it early, but its their job to report those type of things because we want to read that kind of stuff. A deal isn't final until its announced, snags can always come up...in this case I think the media jumped to conclusions thinking Evans would force himself to accepting. I think Dan wants to first see if he can find a way to get Nomar (Everything I've heard on the radio says Anaheim is the front runner to get him in exchange for prospects) and then if he can move Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 your probably right because you get to hear that stuff all day long in cali. You know everything about the deals with dodgers and angels. Stuff that we can;t hear in chicago, that is why it is good that you can fill us in when us chicagoans start to get ahead of ourselves. Hey what have you heard about colon and the angels? any good info? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Nothing has been mentioned out here on Colon and hte Angels. The LA TIMES has yet to verify any offer from what I've read and the talk stations have been very quiet about it. Garret Anderson has recently rejected two multi year packages and they are still negotiating on a long term deal with him. The Angels also plan to get into the Vlad sweepstakes and are the front runners to get Nomar. LOoks like they won't pursue Tejada/Matsui but I wouldn't quite look past them jumping in and outbidding Seattle, soley to keep him from Seattle. If the Angels sign Anderson and then get Nomar, then I don't think they have a chance in hell at signing Colon. To me the Angels are in about as bad of shape as the Sox when it comse to dumb contracts, actually worse. They have Appier, Sele, Salmon and Erstad on the books for over 40 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurlyMan56 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Brown's health is always a question...But I'm willing to take that chance because he is lights out when his stuff is there...I believe he has a no trade clause and would accept a trade to the Yanks...Don't know what he thinks about wanting to come here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Brown's health is always a question...But I'm willing to take that chance because he is lights out when his stuff is there...I believe he has a no trade clause and would accept a trade to the Yanks...Don't know what he thinks about wanting to come here... I think he told the Dodgers that he wants to go to the East coats or at least closer to that. I forget where his family lives, but Florida comes to mind. Chicago would definately be closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Who would we give up in the Brown rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Who would we give up in the Brown rumor? I guess Rogers says Jose and Konerko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Wow, that's all? The only thing scares me w/ Brown is injuries, but he did pitch in 32 games this season. He had a low 17 in 2002, 20 in 2001, but other than that he's averaged 30+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Wow, that's all? The only thing scares me w/ Brown is injuries, but he did pitch in 32 games this season. He had a low 17 in 2002, 20 in 2001, but other than that he's averaged 30+. I think this is Rogers speculating. I do agree that it would be a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Well, I only hope that trade for kevin brown will happen but what about the dodgers? they all ready have a short stop izitrous or whatever his name is allready the starter. Where would valentin play, I am assuming that izitrous would have to be involved in this also. With that trade and the sox and dodgers practicly swaping players becaues the money is almost the same give or take a few dollars. and with the slight hope of bartolo signing with us as a last resort. Our rotation would be one of the best in the majors with 1.Loaiza, Colon, Brown, Buerhle, and garland as our starters. HEck it is ok to dream right? Izturis cannot hit a beachball of a tee. LA wants (and needs) offense. That is the biggest thing. One of the two could be moved to 2B, or even throw Jose in the OF if they're feeling lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 For Brown yeah Konerko and Jose, but probably a guy like Borchard who is from the West coast and the Dodges would hope being close to home would help his game. I would do the trade because this doesn't effect the Colon sweepstakes if Maggs is dealt and then Brown ($15 million) Colon ($12 million) Buerhle(around $2-3 million through arbitration) Loaiza($5 million) Garland($2.3 million something) $36 million staff I would take a pricer pitching staff and reduce the pen and hitting Can you say awesome (and better than Cubs/Yanks/Red Sox)--AL Central Champs no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Don't be cheap on the pen. That is so key in this era of baseball. You got to have a strong pen to go deep if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 Adding to this the rest of the payroll would be as follows Lineup 1b-Thomas/Gload (combined $5.5 million) 2b-Harris ($ 500,000) ss-Uribe ($ 500,000) 3b-Crede($ 500,000) C-Olivo/Alomar Jr. (combined $1.25 million) Of-Rowand/Reed/Lee (combined $8 million) $20 million Pen C-Koch ($5million) SU-Marte($ 500,000) Su-Sully($2 million) MR-Munoz($500,000 LR-Wright ($ 500,000) $8.5 million Spend extras on Free Agents for Line-up/Bullpen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 1b-Thomas/Gload (combined $5.5 million) Um, seeing how Frank picked up his $6 million option, I don't think they make $5.5 million combine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted December 7, 2003 Author Share Posted December 7, 2003 Even so, add $1 million and there it is. I think the staff would be unbelievable, the pen average and the hitting okay. I still think it would be a great team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Brown's health is always a question...But I'm willing to take that chance because he is lights out when his stuff is there...I believe he has a no trade clause and would accept a trade to the Yanks...Don't know what he thinks about wanting to come here... kevin Brown would be awesome but I still am uncomfortable with the idea of the Big Skirt playing first for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 For Brown yeah Konerko and Jose, but probably a guy like Borchard who is from the West coast and the Dodges would hope being close to home would help his game. I would do the trade because this doesn't effect the Colon sweepstakes if Maggs is dealt and then Brown ($15 million) Colon ($12 million) Buerhle(around $2-3 million through arbitration) Loaiza($5 million) Garland($2.3 million something) $36 million staff I would take a pricer pitching staff and reduce the pen and hitting Can you say awesome (and better than Cubs/Yanks/Red Sox)--AL Central Champs no doubt If we give Colon $12 mill, I am going to be totally pissed. He is worth $10 TOPS, and more around $8 mill. And BTW, no offense or anything, but that pen that you had in your second post, would get throttled. I would only have confidence in Marte and Sullivan, and even then, I would have little confidence in Sullivan against lefties. As Jas said, a strong pen is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 On MLB.com it says the Dodgers r afta Nomar if the A-Rod for Manny swap goes down, and they would offa Perez and prob more for Nomar, and then the Red Sox would trade Perez to sum1 else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 going to the original thread title - and assuming there is a deal discussed and that Evans and KW wiuld have identical opinions on it - how can anyone here possibly know the answer to such a question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Don't be cheap on the pen. That is so key in this era of baseball. You got to have a strong pen to go deep if you ask me. For two reasons : 1. You need guys to hold down the opponent, since not many starters go past 7 innings anymore. 2. We have Garland and Schoenweiss possibly as two of our starters, and we will need a strong bullpen to clean up should either of them get rocked early in games (which I can see happening, as you can too, I'm sure). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 Kevin Brown is 39 years old and owed $30 million on the remaining 2 years of his contract. No thank you. Let him keep his surly, oft-injured ass in LA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 7, 2003 Share Posted December 7, 2003 And those who don't want Sully resigned look at the fact he was the Reds leader in appearnces in the 80's 3 years in a row bf he got traded to Chicago. We need a guy like that in da pen desperately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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