Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 The January 14 edition of prosportsdaily.com says: "Los Angeles Times says 'The Dodgers haven't shut the door on Chicago White Sox right fielder Magglio Ordonez, the subject of serious trade talks between the teams at the winter meetings, but the White Sox haven't backed down on their demand for starter Odalis Perez, setup man Guillermo Mota, one of the Dodgers' top two pitching prospects, Edwin Jackson or Greg Miller, and a fourth player." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 If the Sox don't back down, that deal will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I keep hearing what the Sox are asking for, but I have yet to hear what LA is offering us. Are we close, or is LA offering us crap for Maggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 If the Sox don't back down, that deal will never happen. Rex, in your opinion which i value and am particualrly interested in on this issue as I am undecided - should it? everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 The Sox should keep up the demand for the players they are demanding in exchange for Maggs. I would prefer we not trade Maggs at all, but in the baseball business I understand it can happen so demand value in exchange for value. My hope is the Sox will attempt to sign Maggs and be willing to make the right offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Rex, in your opinion which i value and am particualrly interested in on this issue as I am undecided - should it? everyone else? I would accept the deal sans the "fourth player" just fine provided we can lock up Perez for a reasonable price for 3-4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Rex, in your opinion which i value and am particualrly interested in on this issue as I am undecided - should it? everyone else? Mixed feelings. If the Sox are dead-set on letting Magglio leave after this season, then I'd like to at least get some good prospects for him. I'd prefer a quality major-leaguer, but the only teams who will go after Maggs are teams in the divisional races, and they're not going to swap ML players, they'll be looking to add talent to get them over the top. The Sox need to recover some players like the ones they traded away for Alomar and Everett - guys who are fairly close to making contributions on the major-league level. On the other hand: If the Sox have any intention of re-signing Maggs, then PLEASE don't let him get away. He is a quality offensive player whose defense improved quite a bit last year, in my opinion. He's in the prime of his career and he is a given on a team with few "givens". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I'd do this deal without the 4th player and I think it would greatly improve the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 but the White Sox haven't backed down on their demand for starter Odalis Perez, setup man Guillermo Mota, one of the Dodgers' top two pitching prospects, Edwin Jackson or Greg Miller, and a fourth player." Isn't that four players already, (1)Perez, (2)Mota, (3)a pitching prospect, and (4)Jackson or Miller. Anyways, I would not like to see Maggs go, especially when all we get in return are pitchers who have not proven to be consistent at a major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox-r-us Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 The biggest problem now is we do not have Gonzalez anymore on the market if we trade Maggs Who will play RF? Please do not tell me Gload or Borchard Our biggest problem last year was our hitting, and with Willie, Rowand and one of the two above on RF, Olivo, Crede and hot and cold Konerko in the lineup, it will be a long season The same problem with if we trade Kong....we do not have Palmeiro anymore on the market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Isn't that four players already, (1)Perez, (2)Mota, (3)a pitching prospect, and (4)Jackson or Miller. Anyways, I would not like to see Maggs go, especially when all we get in return are pitchers who have not proven to be consistent at a major league level. No it ain't 4 players. Perez, Mota the Pitching Prospect would be Jackson or Miller.. Plus The sox better not back down I'm sick of the Sox being screwed in deals. They wan't Maggs they gotta pay. Jeremy Reed Most Likely play Right or Play Center and Rowans Move to right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxin' Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 No it ain't 4 players. Perez, Mota the Pitching Prospect would be Jackson or Miller.. Oh, sorry I didn't know the names of the pitching prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Godfather Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 The problem with doing this trade is that we will then screw us more then help us seeing that there is nobody on the market who could put up the same numbers as Maggs. That being said those of you who would want Reed out there in place of Maggs if he was traded you must be nuts cause I dont want three guys with little is any ML exp. Is reggie Sanders still a FA if so and we trade Maggs then he would be a nice pick up then again he plays good in only odd years thats his trend but he would still be a solid pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 The problem with doing this trade is that we will then screw us more then help us seeing that there is nobody on the market who could put up the same numbers as Maggs. That being said those of you who would want Reed out there in place of Maggs if he was traded you must be nuts cause I dont want three guys with little is any ML exp. Is reggie Sanders still a FA if so and we trade Maggs then he would be a nice pick up then again he plays good in only odd years thats his trend but he would still be a solid pick up. Reggie Sanders is on the Cardinals. Guys who could possibly fill our voids: Marvin Bernard, Darren Bragg, Wil Cordero, Karim Garcia, Jose Hernandez, John Mabry, Mark McLemore, Raul Mondesi, Troy O'Leary, Randall Simon, Shane Spencer, and Todd Zeile. Some pitchers: Pedro Astacio, Ruben Quevedo, and Gabe White. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I'd take Raul Mondesi for our right fielder to a one year deal and look to acquire Jeff DaVannon along with a pitcher from the Angels if the Angels are looking to dump Washburn/Ortiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 I'd take Raul Mondesi for our right fielder to a one year deal and look to acquire Jeff DaVannon along with a pitcher from the Angels if the Angels are looking to dump Washburn/Ortiz. I think we would all take Raul. Is there even any market for him? What about trading for Carl Everett again. I have to believe MTL signed him so they could trade him off at sometime. I can't see Carl playing too much on that turf. $9 million for two years isn't too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Carl would be fine...but I think Raul fits better in the sense that he could be had cheap and it wouldn't have to be a long term deal, nor would the Sox have to give anyone up. I bet you could get Mondesi for 2 mill, plus some incentives. He is still a pretty darn good defensive right fielder and isn't too shabby at the plate. Now you wouldn't get Magglio production out of him, but put him in the 5 or 6 hole and it wouldn't be horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted January 16, 2004 Share Posted January 16, 2004 Carl would be fine...but I think Raul fits better in the sense that he could be had cheap and it wouldn't have to be a long term deal, nor would the Sox have to give anyone up. I bet you could get Mondesi for 2 mill, plus some incentives. He is still a pretty darn good defensive right fielder and isn't too shabby at the plate. Now you wouldn't get Magglio production out of him, but put him in the 5 or 6 hole and it wouldn't be horrific. I think we should pick up Raul anyways...especially if we can get him at $2 million a year...It would give us the ability to be a little more flexible aswell for trades. Lets Mags play CF a little even, he did some last year...only problems are money and he is a right-handed bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 The biggest problem now is we do not have Gonzalez anymore on the market if we trade Maggs Who will play RF? Please do not tell me Gload or Borchard Our biggest problem last year was our hitting, and with Willie, Rowand and one of the two above on RF, Olivo, Crede and hot and cold Konerko in the lineup, it will be a long season The same problem with if we trade Kong....we do not have Palmeiro anymore on the market Reed could play RF with Rowand playing CF and Harris playing 2B, or Rowand could play RF with Harris in CF and Uribe(or someone else) at 2B, or a guy like Mondesi could be signed to play RF with Rowand in CF and Harris at 2B. There are all kinds of things that could be done. If we can ever get rid of Konerko, I wouldn't mind seeing Randall Simon here. He is a pretty good hitter and will put the ball in play, even if he does whack some sausage or he played for the Cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 isn't armando rios still available? To be serious, our only chance to get a good deal is to find another taker for Maggs. The Dodgers know we're screwed. They're surely just waiting us out. Until they fear that Maggs is going elsewhere, they ain't gonna budge on their offer. And as long as that's the case, I prefer to keep Magglio and play it out with him and Rauch, Wright, Schoeneweis and other pretenders in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 If the Sox don't back down, that deal will never happen. I hope it doesn't happen. Reinsy needs to do the right thing and lock up Maggs for a multiyear deal. End of story. They deal Maggs for 4 little sorry sacks like that and there you have your white flag 2004 that Al mentioned in the other thread and the fans will punish JR accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 No it ain't 4 players. Perez, Mota the Pitching Prospect would be Jackson or Miller.. Actually Josh they are asking for four players. The offer is Perez, Mota, Jackson or Miller and another prospect (who remains nameless at this point). Rex, in your opinion which I value and am particualrly interested in on this issue as I am undecided - should it? First of all, thank you for valuing my opinion. I do think they Sox are asking way too much and here is why I feel that way... To fairly view this trade you have to look at the sum total of the trade and it's possible spin-off effects. The Sox are asking for a starting pitcher, an established highly regarded reliever, one of the top pitching prospects in baseball, both of which have a huge upside, another prospect AND asking the Dodgers to take on $8-$10 million in payroll. The Sox then could use at least some of that money to fill another hole or two on their roster, be it an OF to replace Maggs, a couple of utility players or another pitcher. The Dodgers get a huge bat which they desparately need. However, there is no guarantee how Maggs will hit in Dodger Stadium since it is decidedly a pitcher's park. Could Maggs .300-.320 average drop to .280? Could his 30-35 HR and 100-120 RBI drop to 25-30 and 90-100? Maggs is a great hitter, but those are real possibilities. They also have no guarantee that Maggs will be in LA for more than one year. The part of this proposed trade that confuses me is what the sticking point actually is. There have been too many varied reports about who the Dodgers are balking at. It is unclear whether the Dodgers still want to give up Perez after trading Kevin Brown. There have been reports that Evans doesn't want to give up Mota. Many reports have debated whether Miller or Jackson are even touchable. It could simply be the total number of players involved. Perhaps the Dodgers make the trade if it is for only 2 or 3 of the players, depending on which ones they are? Everyone seems to have an opinion and think they know, but there are too many conflicting reports. I firmly belive that if the Sox are to move Magglio, they are going to have to live with a balance of the players they get in return and the amount of payroll they are asking the other team to take on. They will either need to back off on the players they asking for, or substitute a player that makes more $$ to balance the payroll inequities. All of that is just one man's opinion,nothing more, nothing less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I'd take Raul Mondesi for our right fielder to a one year deal I really feel Mondesi is the last thing this team needs. KW wants grinders, guys who will go all out everyday. Mondesi hasn't necessarily been known as that kind of guy. What about trading for Carl Everett again. I have to believe MTL signed him so they could trade him off at sometime. I can't see Carl playing too much on that turf. $9 million for two years isn't too bad. Everett cannot be traded before June 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upnorthsox Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 First, any trade for Maggs would have to bring a major league starting pitcher in return, that's a non-negotiable point for KW at this point as it would be PR suicide not to. Second, it would have to include Jackson or Miller or it makes no sense to do the deal. KW also has to get enough money back to balance his budget, that's a non-negotiable JR requirement. Demands for Mota and a prospect could easily be dropped and not effect the core of the deal so if this grows any legs don't be surprised to see KW drop his demands for both. Any way, nothing is going to happen til the sale is at least imminent which means next weekend at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 saw a TV show tonight with some LA Times sportswriters. They said the heat is building in LA for the Dodgers to do SOMETHING, especially considering everything the Angels have done. Seems that Dodgers fans are as perturbed as Sox fans seems to be. But ... there's a big problem. The sale of the team from Fox to the new owner (can't spell his name, Frank something) is stalling. The suspicion is the proposed owner doesn't have enough money to finish the deal. They said Major League Baseball is sending representatives to Los Angeles next week to determine if the deal is possible or not. They said it will probably fall through and that Fox will end up owning the team for another year. But the bottom line is that all this uncertainty has put the Dodgers' front office on hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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