Soxguy Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Obviously we couldn't have everyone where they are right now if Bartolo was signed in the offseason. So just wondering what you all think our team would looked like had we signed him this offseason? And also, would you rather have the team like it is now or have had Bartolo resigned? Just makes me wonder sometimes how something like that can change a whole team around. With that said I'm quite happy with where we are right now but having Bartolo instead of Danny Wright would have been a bit of an improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Probably wouldn't have Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Thank G-d the Angels jumped on that 52 Mill dollar grenade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Probably wouldn't have Maggs. We haven't resigned Maggs. He is in the last year of a long term deal for $14 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippedoutpunk Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 52 Mill dollar :headshake :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 We haven't resigned Maggs. He is in the last year of a long term deal for $14 mil. Very well. But we probably wouldn't have the money to re-sign Lee or presumably go after big time talent at the ASB this year........Once he got his payola, Phatolo would be sleep-walking with us -- after the Detroit start last July he had a 4.40 ERA -- except this time Detoit is a much better hitting team, and I doubt he would have the incentive to bust his ass for a new contract like he did during a pretty good 2nd half in 2003. He's gonna be a 4.00 ERA pitcher with Anaheim. He doesn't throw 100 anymore and his breaking pitch is very mediocre. NCorg was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 We haven't resigned Maggs. He is in the last year of a long term deal for $14 mil. It was implied that if we would have signed Colon, we probably would have traded Maggs this year. That was what I was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
False Alarm Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 i'd kinda been thinking they'd've traded konerko for nothing and not picked up jose's option. i'm not sure whether i'd rather have those two with their numbers from last year or colon. but paulie should be better this year and i agree that colon's in or on the verge of decline, so :fyou colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 Probably wouldn't have Maggs. We probably wouldn't have Konerko and would have taken on some of Koch's salary...could have dealt Lee too. Not sure we would have gotten rid of Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 We probably wouldn't have Konerko and would have taken on some of Koch's salary... How do you figure? Koch is untradeable and Konerko was too coming into this season. Why do you think the Sox payroll is at 65 Mill instead of 58? They couldn't cut dead weight, so they decided to hold on and hope a fast start would make them more appealing to other teams. Colon's contract and attitude would have crippled this team just as Konerko's and Kock's is crippling it as we speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted April 26, 2004 Share Posted April 26, 2004 How do you figure? Koch is untradeable and Konerko was too coming into this season. Why do you think the Sox payroll is at 65 Mill instead of 58? They couldn't cut dead weight, so they decided to hold on and hope a fast start would make them more appealing to other teams. Colon's contract and attitude would have crippled this team just as Konerko's and Kock's is crippling it as we speak. Well, at least Konerko is helping his cause for staying with the team, or somewhat earning his contract (though good hitting first basemen are easy to come by.) Either way, I think we can agree Kenny overpaid on both of the contracts, but if Paully can hover around 300 for most of the year, I won't be too angry with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 We probably wouldn't have Konerko and would have taken on some of Koch's salary...could have dealt Lee too. Not sure we would have gotten rid of Maggs. It was implied that Maggs would have been the odd man out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 but if Paully can hover around 300 for most of the year, I won't be too angry with him The point is. you could get similar production from Brad Fullmer or some other chap for 25% of what Kong is making in the next 2 years (17M) and invest the rest into starting pitching - 4 Mill buys you an Al Leiter at the deadline, etc. Koch's 6.3 M, too prevented the Sox from getting an Urbina type. When you have a limited budget, every grossely overpaid player "cripples" the team in the long run. That's not the players' fault -- it's Kenny's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 The point is. you could get similar production from Brad Fullmer or some other chap for 25% of what Kong is making in the next 2 years (17M) and invest the rest into starting pitching - 4 Mill buys you an Al Leiter at the deadline, etc. Koch's 6.3 M, too prevented the Sox from getting an Urbina type. When you have a limited budget, every grossely overpaid player "cripples" the team in the long run. That's not the players' fault -- it's Kenny's. I agree completely. Look at what Boston got out of David Ortiz, perfect example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Colon's contract and attitude would have crippled this team I never heard anyone close to the players describe Colon as "a team player" and "a joy in the clubhouse." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I never heard anyone close to the players describe Colon as "a team player" and "a joy in the clubhouse." sounds like a certain sosa from up north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greasywheels121 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Colon wasn't even really worth the $36M we offered him; I really don't see Colon being all that dominant anymore. I'm glad we kept the money and signed some of these players up to some longer deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillieHarris2 Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 I'd rather see maggs here next year then colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Socks Posted April 27, 2004 Share Posted April 27, 2004 Plus, we got a draft choice for Colon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 He's gonna be a 4.00 ERA pitcher with Anaheim Once he got his payola, Phatolo would be sleep-walking with us -- after the Detroit start last July he had a 4.40 ERA -- except this time Detoit is a much better hitting team Man, did Detroit tattoo the donut-chaser today or what!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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