Maybe you should (to quote you...)  "shut the hell up" and let people express their opinions. 

Yeah, and that was my opinion...

 

but the FACT is Koch is closing games and getting the save so whats the point of saying he needs to go? Until he doesnt get the job done theres no reason to complain, because I dont see what your complaining about

And if he gets some of the calls in the 9th this thread wouldn't exist. The guy needs a shrink. If he can get the batters to 1-2, he's got the stuff (for the most part), he just needs to stop letting questionable calls get into his head and deal with what is right in front of him.

Anthony - how many saves does Koch have to blow before you demote him? 1, 2, 3?  How many?

 

I just think waiting till he blows saves is arbitrary and stupid.  The only reason he hasn't blown saves is because of the size of the lead when he comes in, not because he's pitching well. 

 

I think we all have to agree he's pitching poorly - too many walks, too high an ERA and too slow a fastball.

So what are you trying to say? Every closer has to be Eric Gagne?

Yeah, and that was my opinion...

 

but the FACT is Koch is closing games and getting the save so whats the point of saying he needs to go? Until he doesnt get the job done theres no reason to complain, because I dont see what your complaining about

Can you quote where I said he needs to go...

 

 

 

Here's a FACT for you.. Koch IS pitching badly.

I believe a good analogy is the space shuttle disaster. After the Challenger disaster NASAs safety work was air tight. Then as missions kept succeeding, they started accepting things that they didn't before as being "safe". What would not have passed before, began to pass. As time moved on, these thing pyramided on top of each other. Ice hadn't brought down a mission yet, so ice became acceptable. Foam coming off of the shuttle had never brought down a mission, so that became acceptable. Then disaster struck.

 

Why do the Sox have to wait for disaster, to fix something that is obviously not working as well as it could be?

And if he gets some of the calls in the 9th this thread wouldn't exist.  The guy needs a shrink.  If he can get the batters to 1-2, he's got the stuff (for the most part), he just needs to stop letting questionable calls get into his head and deal with what is right in front of him.

"Get some calls..." Fan, you do mean if he pitched better to get those calls... right?

Can you quote where I said he needs to go...

 

 

 

Here's a FACT for you.. Koch IS pitching badly.

haha Steff you can sit here and argue with me all day

 

but the FACT is hes getting saves, pitching badly or not....

I believe a good analogy is the space shuttle disaster.  After the Challenger disaster NASAs safety work was air tight.  Then as missions kept succeeding, they started accepting things that they didn't before as being "safe".  What would not have passed before, began to pass. As time moved on, these thing pyramided on top of each other.  Ice hadn't brought down a mission yet, so ice became acceptable.  Foam coming off of the shuttle had never brought down a mission, so that became acceptable.  Then disaster struck.

 

Why do the Sox have to wait for disaster, to fix something that is obviously not working as well as it could be?

That's just a stupid analogy.

That's just a stupid analogy.   

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haha Steff you can sit here and argue with me all day

 

but the FACT is hes getting saves, pitching badly or not.... 

Quite frankly I'm unsure what you're arguing about... the opinion that Koch is pitching badly....?

 

And if that's what you're arguing.. have fun. :banghead

That's just a stupid analogy.   

Yea.. no kidding. I mean.. c'mon... what's 7 lost lives when 5 saves.. errr... missions went off without a hitch..

"Get some calls..." Fan, you do mean if he pitched better to get those calls... right?

Actually no, I realize he isn't a star caliber pitcher but I have to agree with 'HSC's Biggest Fan' that Koch has been squeezed the last few games. Sorry, but that is my opinion.

Actually no, I realize he isn't a star caliber pitcher but I have to agree with 'HSC's Biggest Fan' that Koch has been squeezed the last few games.  Sorry, but that is my opinion. 

Don't be sorry...

 

 

But you might want to consider getting some new glasses

If not Koch, who are you going to call? Once Ozzie drops Koch as the closer, Koch is done for the season, I don't think OZ can revive him. So please, do not make that decision hastely, Mr. Guillen.

 

While Marte or Zero may be a servicable closer, ride this one a while longer. It is still early.

 

If we are complaining about Billy's speed, imagine Zero. I swear some of his pitches may not register. After a trip around the league, he may be worse than Billy. Marte isn't exactly a leave him in against righty or lefty it doesn't matter.

Quite frankly I'm unsure what you're arguing about... the opinion that Koch is pitching badly....?

 

And if that's what you're arguing..  have fun. :banghead

Im arguing the fact that just about everyone on this board thinks Koch needs to be removed as the closer when he is pitching better than last year and gettin the job done

 

and i think your the one who needs glasses because Koch was gettin the shaft on some calls his last 2 outings

So what are you trying to say? Every closer has to be Eric Gagne?

Of course not every closer has to be perfect. That's why I'm saying waiting for blown saves doesn't make any sense if the guy IS PITCHING BADLY. He is pitching badly. There can't be any argument about that. The only thing that is saving (no pun intended) him is that he has come in with relatively large leads for a closer recently.

 

You don't mean to say that he is pitching badly on purpose because he has a large cushion of runs, do you?

 

I'll ask again Anthony - how many blown saves would it take before you would demote him?

If not Koch, who are you going to call? Once Ozzie drops Koch as the closer, Koch is done for the season, I don't think OZ can revive him. So please, do not make that decision hastely, Mr. Guillen.

 

While Marte or Zero may be a servicable closer, ride this one a while longer. It is still early.

 

If we are complaining about Billy's speed, imagine Zero. I swear some of his pitches may not register. After a trip around the league, he may be worse than Billy. Marte isn't exactly a leave him in against righty or lefty it doesn't matter.

Oh when will you learn, it isn't the speed that matters. What matters is the 25 MPH difference that he is able to get between his change and his fastball. The difference in speeds is murder on a batter.

Of course not every closer has to be perfect.  That's why I'm saying waiting for blown saves doesn't make any sense if the guy IS PITCHING BADLY.  He is pitching badly.  There can't be any argument about that.  The only thing that is saving (no pun intended) him is that he has come in with relatively large leads for a closer recently.

 

You don't mean to say that he is pitching badly on purpose because he has a large cushion of runs, do you?

 

I'll ask again Anthony - how many blown saves would it take before you would demote him?

hes blown one save this year, you dont know when the next one will be but hes been getting the save and not blowing them... so your gonna tell me you would remove Koch from the closer roll when hes getting the job done? why?

If Danny Wright pitched EXACTLY the same way and was 4-0, would he have been sent down? No, getting the job done, no matter how, is most important.

Thank you Mr Eye

Oh when will you learn, it isn't the speed that matters.  What matters is the 25 MPH difference that he is able to get between his change and his fastball.  The difference in speeds is murder on a batter.

No, its the heat. To a major league hitter, having all that extra time to see the pitch, will eventually catch up to Zero. Plus remember this is a guy whose best years are behind him. He isn't a 27 year old.

 

If the difference in speed was what really matters then why have all the top strikeout pitchers had a blazing fast ball? And you want strike outs from your closer.

 

Nolan Ryan wasn't known for slow pitch softball and either is Rocket. You want 1-2-3 strikes your out from your closer, not in and out, fast slow, setting the guy up.

No, its the heat. To a major league hitter, having all that extra time to see the pitch, will eventually catch up to Zero. Plus remember this is a guy whose best years are behind him. He isn't a 27 year old.

 

If the difference in speed was what really matters then why have all the top strikeout pitchers had a blazing fast ball? And you want strike outs from your closer.

 

Nolan Ryan wasn't known for slow pitch softball and either is Rocket. You want 1-2-3 strikes your out from your closer, not in and out, fast slow, setting the guy up.

Yeah and Foulke just blows guys away doesnt he

closers doesnt necessarliy have to throw heat..look at john franco

hes blown one save this year, you dont know when the next one will be but hes been getting the save and not blowing them... so your gonna tell me you would remove Koch from the closer roll when hes getting the job done? why?

My point is he's NOT getting the job done. Too many walks, too high an ERA and too slow a fastball.

 

I'm just using a different criteria to determine whether or not he's getting the job done than you are. I don't think blown saves is the way to decide whether he's getting the job done because it's arbitrary - it just depends on how big a lead he has when he comes in, not on how well he's pitching.

 

Also I don't know how many blown saves it would require before I demoted him (and apparently neither do you). 1 blown save and you're demoted is unreasonable. How about 2, or maybe 3? It just seems that if you have watched baseball a long time you don't need to wait until this guy singlehandedly loses 3 games for us before you can decide he is no longer the closer. :banghead

Im arguing the fact that just about everyone on this board thinks Koch needs to be removed as the closer when he is pitching better than last year and gettin the job done

 

and i think your the one who needs glasses because Koch was gettin the shaft on some calls his last 2 outings

No sense in conversing with you as you obviously you have issues with people's opinions..

 

 

And yea.. he did get the shaft on a few calls.. but the fact is that even Koch himself AGREES that he's pitching like crap.

 

he's wrong, too.. right?