Just so we're clear what the goal is and what or who we are cheering.

 

WORLD SERIES, BABY

I cant believe you put owners bottom line in there. What does the average fan care how much JR is making off them?

I cant believe you put owners bottom line in there.  What does the average fan care how much JR is making off them?

Read the Maggs thread and all the pleading to understand the owners financial situation. Just accept we cannot afford to pay our biggest star. Only big market teams can afford superstars I guess.

WS win

this is simple... i cant imagine we have any answer other than WS win

Read the Maggs thread and all the pleading to understand the owners financial situation. Just accept we cannot afford to pay our biggest star. Only big market teams can afford superstars I guess.

That does not mean you have to be a big market team to win. I want a world series

Of course the World Series, but I’d be happy enough if the Sox make it to the playoffs. Just don’t make it a replay of 2000 where they got eliminated right away.

If you polled the Sox' investors, and they answered honestly, you'd get a much different response!

That does not mean you have to be a big market team to win.

You're right about that, just ask the Marlins.

Read the Maggs thread and all the pleading to understand the owners financial situation. Just accept we cannot afford to pay our biggest star. Only big market teams can afford superstars I guess.

Tex - I guess you just cannot understand this. Let me put it to you by way of another example:

 

The Texas Ranger, in Texas , payed their 'huge' star Alexander Rodriguez to a huge contract. Where the hell did that get Texas? To the 'cellar', or the bottom, of the AL West. You pay people at the right price. Why? Because if you don't have one guy eating a quarter of your payroll, then you can spend money elsewhere, such as a little thing called pitching?

 

I think we are 7-7 or something like that without Maggs. Maybe it isn't seven and seven, but we're .500 without him. Now - if we would have had a competent closer as well as not having Jon Garland's blowup, that puts us 6 games over without him.

 

Im not trying to tell you I like the lineup without Maggs, that isn't the case. He's a solid player. Solid. But he isn't worth taking up a quarter to a fifth of our payroll.

 

Understand?

The White Sox are not your classic big market team because the Cubs exist in this city. I don't know how often this has to be mentioned, but it's a HUGE reason our payroll sits at 60 mil or whatever and we don't/can't shell out 15 for Maggs for X seasons.

 

We all want to win, but it's not our money we are shelling out to pay players. It's not our bottom line. There are things in life we cannot control.

 

To say we don't care about the bottom line is all nice and dandy, but if the Sox go way in the hole, it could mean bad bad things for this organization. So in an odd way, we do care about the bottom line.

It's killing the game. Why are fans even loyal to one team? God I feel old; but when I was a youngster, teams kept a lineup together for years, not weeks or months. You knew your players stats from year to year. Pardon my Cub reference but no more Tinkers to Evers to Chance. Now it's 6-4-3 double plays. Who's on First isn't a comedy routine, it's 2004 MLB. Sign a guy for three months.

 

Now we compare hits to dollars, no, we look beyond hits to an esoteric stat that someone comes up with.

 

I just want to see the White Sox in a World Series before I die. I probably do not have many more tear down and build again cycles left. So in the end, I can cheer that we had the best team our owners money could buy. Seems rather hollow doesn't it?

You're right about that,  just ask the Marlins.

Anyone want to take the Marlins and I'll take the Red Sox? Next 5 years, most playoff and WS berths?

 

That's what I thought.

I'll take last 5 years, WS and playoff berths

Anyone want to take the Marlins and I'll take the Red Sox? Next 5 years, most playoff and WS berths?

 

That's what I thought.

OK - this might be hard to understand, but here goes:

 

WE AREN'T THE f***ING RED SOX! WE ARE THE WHITE SOX!

Tex - I guess you just cannot understand this.

I can understand and you can have a lifetime of grooming players for other teams. Enjoy. When the White Sox celebrate 150 years without a World Series, take comfort in your understanding of what the shareholders can afford.

Anyone want to take the Marlins and I'll take the Red Sox? Next 5 years, most playoff and WS berths?

 

That's what I thought.

I will.

OK - this might be hard to understand, but here goes:

 

WE AREN'T THE f***ING RED SOX!  WE ARE THE WHITE SOX!

Yes, that's right. The Red Sox are spending money to compete for a f***ing World Series, We f***ing don't. Don't you f***ing understand?

I can understand and you can have a lifetime of grooming players for other teams. Enjoy. When the White Sox celebrate 150 years without a World Series, take comfort in your understanding of what the shareholders can afford.

You're going in circles... You're ignoring facts and going in circles...

OK - this might be hard to understand, but here goes:

 

WE AREN'T THE f***ING RED SOX!  WE ARE THE WHITE SOX!

and by the way

 

:fyou f*** YOU AND YOUR CAP LOCK

Yes, that's right. The Red Sox are spending money to compete for a f***ing World Series, We f***ing don't. Don't you f***ing understand?

World Series is in October, correct? Until yesterday we were in first place, correct? Thus, you can only win a World Series in October, correct? Maggs will still be with us come October, correct?

You're going in circles...  You're ignoring facts and going in circles...

I am not going in circles

 

I do not care about how much the shareholder earn. They can sell the f***ing team today and make hundreds of millions on their investment. And you care if they make a couple million more each year?

 

You can hug their bottom line, I want a World Series. I don't believe they cannot afford Colon, Maggs, or any of these guys.

There's a difference in what you believe and what is fact, i guess

 

I understand you want to win, but you have to use the reality of the Sox organization as a guide

 

Right now it just looks like you are saying "Spend 200 million and win a world series" even if that's not at all possible. It is becoming a circular argument.

I am not going in circles

 

I do not care about how much the shareholder earn. They can sell the f***ing team today and make hundreds of millions on their investment. And you care if they make a couple million more each year?

 

You can hug their bottom line, I want a World Series. I don't believe they cannot afford Colon, Maggs, or any of these guys.

Bartolo Colon this year: 4-4, 6.00 ERA, 1.57 WHIP. He signed a four year, fifty million dollar contract (12.5 a Year or so). So - 12.5 Million this year for a guy putting up numbers that are worse than what a fifth starter puts up.

 

How about giving the Sox some f***ing credit for not signing his ass?

 

But you just don't understand the concept of spending money wisely. We need to buy buy buy everything...