DBAHO Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Congrats to the offense for showing up tonight, and another win for Grilli. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yeeeeeeah Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 Whats the run down? Just walked in, saw we won. Nice work boys. Every1 in the starting lineup got a hit, 8 runs in the 2nd inning, and only 1 home run for Gload for the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Whats the run down? Just walked in, saw we won. Nice work boys. Well if grilli would have gotten no run support tonight we would all be talking about how bad he is. But i will say it any way he is not mlb material. At least not as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Every1 in the starting lineup got a hit, 8 runs in the 2nd inning, and only 1 home run for Gload for the team. Gload is up to .305 now. But he sucks and does nothing for this team according to some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yep, even Jose got a hit tonight. Congrats Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUSChris Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Way to go Sox! Tonight was a game I could actually watch (Yay for WGN), so I was happy to see a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Well if grilli would have gotten no run support tonight we would all be talking about how bad he is. But i will say it any way he is not mlb material. At least not as a starter. I think thats harsh to say about Grilli.... he faced one of the better hitting line-ups in the league tonight, and if our 5th starter could hold them to 5 over 5... i'd take it anytime. I think that Grilli has some good breaking stuff and a good head on his shoulders... getting his fastball over sometimes seems like too hard of a task but I still think he's a solid pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Gload is up to .305 now. But he sucks and does nothing for this team according to some people. You're right. NO RESPECT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I think thats harsh to say about Grilli.... he faced one of the better hitting line-ups in the league tonight, and if our 5th starter could hold them to 5 over 5... i'd take it anytime. I think that Grilli has some good breaking stuff and a good head on his shoulders... getting his fastball over sometimes seems like too hard of a task but I still think he's a solid pitcher. He can also get very wild which scares me. 5 innings and five earned against any team in baseball for a firth starter is not good at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Gload is up to .305 now. But he sucks and does nothing for this team according to some people. No - people respect him - as his ability to be a bench player. Not a starter. Don't mix up people's words, bud... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 No - people respect him - as his ability to be a bench player. Not a starter. Don't mix up people's words, bud... I am not mixing up any body's words up. Some people have said that they do not feel he should be with the white sox in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I think thats harsh to say about Grilli.... he faced one of the better hitting line-ups in the league tonight, and if our 5th starter could hold them to 5 over 5... i'd take it anytime. I think that Grilli has some good breaking stuff and a good head on his shoulders... getting his fastball over sometimes seems like too hard of a task but I still think he's a solid pitcher. I completely agree with you on everything. The biggest plus about Grilli is his attitude. He showed lots of emotion tonight. He got pissed at every mistake he made, which I like to see. He's into the game and cares about his performance. I like it a hell of a lot better than Garland's ho-hum attitude. To the defense of his ERA, he really hasn't faced any pushovers yet. Cleveland, Oakland, Texas, and Anaheim is a tough debut. Especially with three of those on the road. I'm pleased with the 2-1 record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I completely agree with you on everything. The biggest plus about Grilli is his attitude. He showed lots of emotion tonight. He got pissed at every mistake he made, which I like to see. He's into the game and cares about his performance. I like it a hell of a lot better than Garland's ho-hum attitude. To the defense of his ERA, he really hasn't faced any pushovers yet. Cleveland, Oakland, Texas, and Anaheim is a tough debut. Especially with three of those on the road. I'm pleased with the 2-1 record. I do like grilli but i guess that i feel diaz should be starting because he has a higher ceiling imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I do like grilli but i guess that i feel diaz should be starting because he has a higher ceiling imo. I agree 100% that Diaz has a MUCH higher cieling than grilli. Infact i'll go as far as to say that Grilli couldn't ever get better than a good solid 5th starter. Whereas im not gonna say that Diaz cant turn into a pretty damn good pitcher in the MLB (here's hoping he learns another pitch to throw at professional hitters) BUT.....BUT! Grilli has atleast earned this shot to show what he's got. He's the only 5th starter this year to be consistent to some degree (usually good for 5 runs in 5 or 6 IP) He hasn't completely let the wheels fall off like Diaz, Munoz, Cotts, and others have this year. Ozzie atleast knows Grilli is going to give him some Innings and keep the team in the game. Earlier you said 5 ER in 5IP is bad for a 5th starter? I would tend to disagree with that... all i want from grilli is to keep us in the game and I think with a potent sox lineup 5 runs is keeping us in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 I agree 100% that Diaz has a MUCH higher cieling than grilli. Infact i'll go as far as to say that Grilli couldn't ever get better than a good solid 5th starter. Whereas im not gonna say that Diaz cant turn into a pretty damn good pitcher in the MLB (here's hoping he learns another pitch to throw at professional hitters) BUT.....BUT! Grilli has atleast earned this shot to show what he's got. He's the only 5th starter this year to be consistent to some degree (usually good for 5 runs in 5 or 6 IP) He hasn't completely let the wheels fall off like Diaz, Munoz, Cotts, and others have this year. Ozzie atleast knows Grilli is going to give him some Innings and keep the team in the game. Earlier you said 5 ER in 5IP is bad for a 5th starter? I would tend to disagree with that... all i want from grilli is to keep us in the game and I think with a potent sox lineup 5 runs is keeping us in the game. With the sox offense 5 and 5 may be alright with to some people i just disagree. That is brian anderson, gary knotts, casey fossum territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 No - people respect him - as his ability to be a bench player. Not a starter. Don't mix up people's words, bud... Maybe I missed something, but I think the majority opinion on here is that Gload has done an excellent job this year (sans his RF mis-Q's), but they don't want him to be the one replacing a hypothetical trade of Paul Konerko. Or - better put - they don't want to see Gload start next year. And that's my opinion, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 With the sox offense 5 and 5 may be alright to some people i just disagree. That is brian anderson, gary knotts, casey fossum territory. What do you want out of a fifth starter? I mean jeez you cant have 5 #1's in the rotation. If the guy can consistently keep you in games... he's fine as a 5th starter. On top of that... Grilli has some pretty good stuff to boot, I think he could be a guy who could give you a quality start every so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Maybe I missed something, but I think the majority opinion on here is that Gload has done an excellent job this year (sans his RF mis-Q's), but they don't want him to be the one replacing a hypothetical trade of Paul Konerko. Or - better put - they don't want to see Gload start next year. And that's my opinion, too... All that i remember is shuf was bashing him in a thread saying that he should not be here in 2005 and i am pretty sure a few others agreed. I did not mean to point the finger at everyone just anyone that did/does not think he should be with the sox next year at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 What do you want out of a fifth starter? I mean jeez you cant have 5 #1's in the rotation. If the guy can consistently keep you in games... he's fine as a 5th starter. On top of that... Grilli has some pretty good stuff to boot, I think he could be a guy who could give you a quality start every so often. An era around five would be nice for a fifth starter. But going 5 and 5 will not get you an era near 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Grilli has done better than the previous #5 starters we've tried this year. Of course, that's not saying much. He seems to be getting a lot more love around here than Garland, which makes no sense. Everything is relative, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 Grilli has done better than the previous #5 starters we've tried this year. Of course, that's not saying much. He seems to be getting a lot more love around here than Garland, which makes no sense. Everything is relative, I guess. Putting things into perspective: Garland pitches 6 innings with 1ER and doesn't pick up a win. Grilli pitches 5 innings with 5ER and picks up a win. I'd go with Diaz as the 5th starter as well, but it'll be hard to move Grilli when he's winnin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Grilli has done better than the previous #5 starters we've tried this year. Of course, that's not saying much. He seems to be getting a lot more love around here than Garland, which makes no sense. Everything is relative, I guess. Maybe because alot more is expected of garland. He was suppose to be excellent i thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Maybe because alot more is expected of garland. He was suppose to be excellent i thought. This is exactly right. Garland, going into the season, was the team's #3 starter, he's making $2.3 mill, he's had 2 and a half years of MLB service before this year, he has good stuff...and he's pitched like s***. Meanwhile, Grilli can have a very mediocre start, hell, I'll even go as far as say it is a bad start(5 ER in 5 innings is bad...that's an ERA of 9.00, and an ERA of 9.00 is never good, I don't care who you are), but when we have had absolute garbage out of the #5 slot in the rotation, you'll gladly take a start like the one Grilli gave us. Grilli looks like a battler. I think he has a shot of making the team next year as a long reliever, personally. BTW...maybe it's just me, but I think I'd rather see Diaz starting over Grilli. Grilli has been very nice in the wins category, but he doesn't have much of a future with the organization(as I said, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a long reliever next year, but I really don't want anything more then that). On the other hand, Diaz could end up being a solid starter for us someday. If he gets his head on straight, he could be a #3 for us in a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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