October 19, 200421 yr I know it's only a matter of time before someone suggested it so it might as well be me. Would anyone give him a minor league contract and have him go after the 5th Starters job? I'm talking league minimum here. He's got to be better then Grilli at least.
October 19, 200421 yr A minor league deal? Why not? He would be better than anything else we could run out at our 5th start.
October 19, 200421 yr I've got a great suggestion...First name - Carl. Last name - Pavano. Making Garland the fifth starter. Problem solved. No to Loaiza. Let him hook on with Brewers or Orioles. Someone desperate for pitching.
October 19, 200421 yr Why would you want this lazy piece of trash back?? Haven't we seen enough of him? Pass big time.
October 19, 200421 yr Author Do you still want Koch back Jeckle?? He was just released today I wouldn't mind giving him a minor league deal. It might give him motivation to bust his ass and get his velocity back... We could always just drop them if they don't pan out.
October 19, 200421 yr Pavano would solve most of the Sox starting pitching problems and would be too obvious for the Sox to actually sign him.
October 19, 200421 yr Author I've got a great suggestion...First name - Carl. Last name - Pavano. Making Garland the fifth starter. Problem solved. No to Loaiza. Let him hook on with Brewers or Orioles. Someone desperate for pitching. I actually like your idea alot more then mine. However what i'm afraid of is that we are going to cheap out and end up with Jason Grilli as our 5th starter {Shudder} In that case then even Esty is an improvement.
October 19, 200421 yr I actually like your idea alot more then mine. However what i'm afraid of is that we are going to cheap out and end up with Jason Grilli as our 5th starter {Shudder} In that case then even Esty is an improvement. Have some faith in this organization
October 19, 200421 yr The sad thing is I can see Loiza getting a guaranteed contract from some team (at least one year).
October 19, 200421 yr Author Besides i'm not so sure he would be as lazy this time around. We could give him a minor league deal for just one year, with no option for a second year. He would have to know that it's his last chance to accomplish something in his career and make some decent money. Plus we'd be giving him the league minimum. If he didn't pan out we just drop him.
October 19, 200421 yr The sad thing is I can see Loiza getting a guaranteed contract from some team (at least one year). Don't be surprised if it's the Sox. I mentioned this back at the end of July... I think he's going to be back...
October 19, 200421 yr Don't be surprised if it's the Sox. I mentioned this back at the end of July... I think he's going to be back... I sure as hell hope not. Geez, that will be the answer to the starting rotation?? Loiaza again? More of the same as usual.
October 19, 200421 yr I sure as hell hope not. Geez, that will be the answer to the starting rotation?? Loiaza again? More of the same as usual. No, I don't think he would be the "answer" to the starting rotation. As I have already indicated the Sox are giving the appearance that they are going after a vet ace to add to the rotation. I don't see an issue with Loaiza in long relief.
October 19, 200421 yr No, I don't think he would be the "answer" to the starting rotation. As I have already indicated the Sox are giving the appearance that they are going after a vet ace to add to the rotation. I don't see an issue with Loaiza in long relief. If they use him in a relief role, it wouldn't be as terrible. He can't be any worse than Thriller was. I don't want to see him as a starter again though...atleast not for this team anyway.
October 19, 200421 yr This was on the mailbag section of Whitesox.com Do you think the Sox should go after Estaban Loaiza as maybe a fourth or fifth starter? What do you think his market value is? -- Anwar To answer the first part of your question, simply put: No. While Loaiza was a good guy and had a Cy Young caliber year in 2003 that nobody expected or could have come close to predicting, the results in 2004 weren't close to the same. His fastball was consistently down anywhere from four to six miles per hour (aside from his performance at the All-Star Game), which could be a sign of the wear and tear from the huge amount of cut fastballs he has thrown over the past two seasons. Loaiza didn't want to leave the White Sox, and in fact, earlier in the year, told me that he hoped a free agent deal would be worked out on the South Side after all the contractual issues were settled with Ordonez. A great deal has changed since then. Loaiza's 1-2 record and 8.50 ERA with the Yankees all but assured the right-hander of not going back to New York, and it probably took him out of the $7 or $8 million per year range of which he had hoped. That said, if Loaiza was willing to come back for a lower salary, with a great deal of incentives built in, he wouldn't be a terrible risk. But it sounds as if Williams wants a pitcher for the top of the rotation, not the back end, which would be a plan that does not include Loaiza.
October 19, 200421 yr IS THERE ANY FORMER WHITE SOX PLAYER SOME OF YOU POSTERS DONT WANT BACK??? WHY DO WE CONTINUE TO LIVE IN THE PAST? Ventura, Loaiza, Durham, when is it gonna stop???? I don't want Loaiza back, what for? So he can go 5 innings and give up a minimum of five runs every start? NO THANKS Lets be a little more imaginative people... And he is gonna be offered more than a minor league contract, hes holds the Mexican Pitching record. :rolly
October 19, 200421 yr I know it's only a matter of time before someone suggested it so it might as well be me. Would anyone give him a minor league contract and have him go after the 5th Starters job? I'm talking league minimum here. He's got to be better then Grilli at least. NO!
October 19, 200421 yr If a minor league deal, sure. But didnt Guillen already say he had 4 guys on his team that wouldn't play like he wanted them to, and that they aren't here anymore? I imagine Loaiza was one of them. BTW, I get so sick of seeing his name spelled incorrectly. Loiza, Loazia, Loiaza (most common.) Just had to get that off of my chest.
October 19, 200421 yr As I believe Steff said, I don't see anything wrong with bringing him back with a minor-league deal as a long reliever. Especially after his performance last night. But as a starter? No. Unless they bring in a top-flight guy to go along with him. Then I would consider Loaiza as a #5.
October 19, 200421 yr If a minor league deal, sure. But didnt Guillen already say he had 4 guys on his team that wouldn't play like he wanted them to, and that they aren't here anymore? I imagine Loaiza was one of them. BTW, I get so sick of seeing his name spelled incorrectly. Loiza, Loazia, Loiaza (most common.) Just had to get that off of my chest. Oh, those jerseys are killing me.
October 19, 200421 yr But didnt Guillen already say he had 4 guys on his team that wouldn't play like he wanted them to, and that they aren't here anymore? I imagine Loaiza was one of them. They appeared fine in Detroit. I don't think he was one of the players he had issue with.
October 19, 200421 yr Here are a list of guys I would sign to a minor league contract...that is, If I had the money to own a major league baseball team. The Hamburglar Alf Ralph Nader ya know?... Guys that would people in the seats...guys that could make a difference. The Loaiza expierence is over on the South Side. Anyway, I think that bridge is burned is it not?
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