DBAHO Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Found this in Phil Rogers' latest piece. It's too early to say who will replace Ordonez after, as expected, the White Sox declined to offer him salary arbitration by Tuesday's deadline. The leading candidate appears to be Jermaine Dye, whom Texas and San Francisco also are pursuing. Robert Bry, Dye's agent, did not return a phone call Tuesday night. But a major-league source said the Sox are discussing a multiyear deal—possibly even three years—which could give them an edge over the other bidders. Dye, 30, hit .265 with 23 homers and 80 RBIs for Oakland last season. Because he hits right-handed and has lost much of his speed to injuries, Dye would not seem to be a step in the direction of better balance and speed. He is an excellent right fielder, maybe a tick better than Ordonez, but right has hardly been a concern for the Sox's defense. If the Sox are going to sign Dye—and something could happen soon with Oakland not offering arbitration—it could mean they are serious about trading Konerko or Lee for pitching or an upgrade at catcher. That would open up some at-bats for the switch-hitting Carl Everett and Ross Gload, a left-handed hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 This is gonna be a s***ty off-season. I can feel it. I hope to god we don't sign this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Pure White Sox. Outbid your competitors on a oft-injured player with the potential of replacing Magglio's production. We'll probably be "close" to signing him until SanFranciso or Texas offers Dye a last second contract. /someone was bound to say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I've always loved Jermaine Dye.... but at this point in his career.... Im not sure he's a good canindate for a 3-year deal... that being said I still wont b**** if he's in the silver and black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Pure White Sox. Outbid your competitors on a oft-injured player with the potential of replacing Magglio's production. We'll probably be "close" to signing him until SanFranciso or Texas offers Dye a last second contract. /someone was bound to say it Somewone was bound to say this too ...... STFU In that single post, you b****ed about both losing and signing Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Somewone was bound to say this too ...... STFU In that single post, you b****ed about both losing and signing Dye. Talk about an unwarranted personal attack. YASNY, including the reference of losing Dye is simply a observation of past FA's (Wright/Vizquel) signing with other clubs following reports both were close to signing with the White sox, Mods, take note I'm attempting to resolve this issue in a civil manner. No need to close this thread. Obvioulsy one of us can hold our temper. You may strongly hold your beliefs in regards to Williams inactivity this offseason, but I do as well. If you feel burdoned with reading my posts bashing Williams; avoid them. Because I'll assure you of one thing: until a move is created to improve this ballclub, the complaining will only continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Talk about an unwarranted personal attack. YASNY, including the reference of losing Dye is simply a observation of past FA's (Wright/Vizquel) signing with other clubs following reports both were close to signing with the White sox, Mods, take note I'm attempting to resolve this issue in a civil manner. No need to close this thread. Obvioulsy one of us can hold our temper. You may strongly hold your beliefs in regards to Williams inactivity this offseason, but I do as well. If you feel burdoned with reading my posts bashing Williams; avoid them. Because I'll assure you of one thing: until a move is created to improve this ballclub, the complaining will only continue. You did, however, criticize both out possible comes. And with the lynch KW mentality going after he wisely decided against overpaying Jaret Wright, I don't see anything unwarrented other than the accusation of a "personal attack". I mean if STFU gets under your skin, I suggest you get a thicker skin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The same old complaining and moaning everone has heard 1000 times should be reason alone for closing a thread. Certainly not a post that points this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The same old complaining and moaning everone has heard 1000 times should be reason alone for closing a thread. Certainly not a post that points this out Thank you. Have you read the thread about Jaret Wright signing? Total b****fest. Yet, have the people b****ing about KW not signing him, would be b****ing about overpaying if he had signed Wright. Which is exactly what I pointed out in Flash's post about Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Thank you. Have you read the thread about Jaret Wright signing? Total b****fest. Yet, have the people b****ing about KW not signing him, would be b****ing about overpaying if he had signed Wright. Which is exactly what I pointed out in Flash's post about Dye. Ah, the folly of youth!!! I just got past the first few pages. Same old same old. Wright at $6 mill a yr for 3 yrs was a stretch. Not with his past injuries, it wasn't worth it I do think your friend Finley would look better than Dye. Give him 2 yrs, move Rowand to RF. Dye doesn't do it for me. Esp. as Finley won't cost a pick [the sox do pride themselves on not losing a pick ] Note: that's lesson to all lurking moaners. How to criticize the sox w/o whining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 Frankly if you could get Finley for a couple of years instead of locking down into a 3 year deal with Dye, the Sox should certainly look into that. It all depends on how much money they are offering Dye though which we do not currently know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Frankly if you could get Finley for a couple of years instead of locking down into a 3 year deal with Dye, the Sox should certainly look into that. It all depends on how much money they are offering Dye though which we do not currently know. Dye would almost certainly get $5 mill a yr. I'd rather pay Finley the $16 mill over 2 yrs [that Det. supposedly offered] than pay Dye $15 mill + over 3 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 Dye would almost certainly get $5 mill a yr. I'd rather pay Finley the $16 mill over 2 yrs [that Det. supposedly offered] than pay Dye $15 mill + over 3 yrs. I suppose it would all depend on what you could do with the extra $3 million we'd save by signing Dye instead of Finley in that scenario. We could probably get an infielder or another guy for the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The difference between Finley and Dye is well worth the money, imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I suppose it would all depend on what you could do with the extra $3 million we'd save by signing Dye instead of Finley in that scenario. We could probably get an infielder or another guy for the bullpen. But by the time Finley's contract is up Anderson and/ or Sweeney should be ready. Dye would likely be dead weight in his 3rd yr, keeping young [and cheap] guys from playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 8, 2004 Author Share Posted December 8, 2004 Also found this on Richard Hidalgo; The Rangers and White Sox expressed interest in Hidalgo, but Texas wasn't looking to break the $252 million barrier the club set with A-Rod. Similarly, White Sox GM Ken Williams had his own reservations about Hidalgo, whom he deems a cheaper alternative to Magglio Ordonez. Both teams were thinking in the one-year range, according to an industry source. Texas didn't want to offer more than $3.5 million, the source said. Greenberg and his client are considering a short-term deal that would reestablish Hidalgo's market value for next winter. Hidalgo's groin has been bothering him for the past two seasons. "He's going to work hard, lose some weight and get that groin healthy," Greenberg said. "It might be best for a one-year deal." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 When Hidalgo is healthy, he can hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 A 1 yr deal for $5 mill for a guy one year removed from a .309/.385/.572 season while playing RF where he had 22 assists, wouldn't be bad. Also a native of Venezuela, so Ozzie should know if the guy is healthy and worth the risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I would definately rather gamble on Hidalgo vs Dye. Dye's health scares me a lot more than Hidalgo's. Hidalgos upside is also way bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Dye doesn't do it for me. Esp. as Finley won't cost a pick [the sox do pride themselves on not losing a pick ] Note: that's lesson to all lurking moaners. How to criticize the sox w/o whining. Agree, and nicely done by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Jermain Dye, If healthy, could completely light up the cell and be a good pick-up for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I would definately rather gamble on Hidalgo vs Dye. Dye's health scares me a lot more than Hidalgo's. Hidalgos upside is also way bigger. Agree. Hidalgo has some personal baggage too, the Sox should really check the whole thing out carefully. That said, all factors being equal I'm in favor of Hidalgo over Dye. As long as Hidalgo is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I was a proponent of signing Dye, but I had in mind a one year deal. No way in hell would I give him a 3 year deal unless it was for like $2 mil/per. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 I was a proponent of signing Dye, but I had in mind a one year deal. No way in hell would I give him a 3 year deal unless it was for like $2 mil/per. Were gonna have to accept the fact that if were gonna sign someone its gonna cost money.. We cant keep goin on saying "That guys too much forget it" because pretty soon were gonna be left with the bottom of the barrel.. I have no problem with us signing Dye, or Hidalgo for that matter.. but these guys most likely wont be signing for 2 mil thats just how it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 MoS- I agree with you 100%. But i'd rather overpay for something other than an old broken down RF on the downside of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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