Now I found this on Rotoworld;

 

The Orioles have had talks with A's GM Billy Beane about Tim Hudson.

It's going to be tough for Baltimore to make anything happen. The A's will want a couple of high-upside youngsters, probably a pitcher and a hitter in return for Hudson. Erik Bedard should intrigue Beane, but the Orioles just don't have a bat to surrender. Jerry Hairston Jr. wouldn't get the deal done. Dec. 8 - 4:37 am et

 

I know everyone would take Hudson over Javier Vazquez, my question is, would you give up Carlos Lee or Aaron Rowand and Jon Garland for Tim Hudson if that is what Billy Beane truly wanted. Bedard could also be a young arm to look at possibly, but I doubt KW would go into that.

Now I found this on Rotoworld;

 

 

 

I know everyone would take Hudson over Javier Vazquez, my question is, would you give up Carlos Lee or Aaron Rowand and Jon Garland for Tim Hudson if that is what Billy Beane truly wanted. Bedard could also be a young arm to look at possibly, but I doubt KW would go into that.

In a word. No.

Also I thought Oakland could have an interest in Brian Anderson, as he's only possibly a year away, and that the A's already have Swisher, Kotsay and Byrnes in the outfield.

Now I found this on Rotoworld;

 

 

 

I know everyone would take Hudson over Javier Vazquez, my question is, would you give up Carlos Lee or Aaron Rowand and Jon Garland for Tim Hudson if that is what Billy Beane truly wanted. Bedard could also be a young arm to look at possibly, but I doubt KW would go into that.

The key is having guys locked in for a few years. Vazquez [if PK and Garland were traded for him in a 3 team] would be around for 2 more yrs, while PK and Jon would prob. be gone after '05.

 

Hudson's a FA in 2006. If Pk and Garland were offered, prob yes. Locked in guys like Rowand or Lee, no.

The key is having guys locked in for a few years. Vazquez [if PK and Garland were traded for him in a 3 team] would be around for 2 more yrs, while PK and Jon would prob. be gone after '05.

 

Hudson's a FA in 2006. If Pk and Garland were offered, prob yes. Locked in guys like Rowand or Lee, no.

Unloading PK on the A's would be ideal, but they alradu have Durazo and Hatteberg which causes some complications there. And of course, KW wouldn't trade for Hudson unless he could get him locked up into a long - term like Freddy Garcia did.

Also I thought Oakland could have an interest in Brian Anderson, as he's only possibly a year away, and that the A's already have Swisher, Kotsay and Byrnes in the outfield.

Swisher isn't a top prospect. But I think the A's really need some power. Lee could be right up their alley, with Swisher and Byrnes in RF.

Locked in guys like Rowand or Lee, no.

Lee is a FA after the 2005, no?

Lee is a FA after the 2005, no?

Lee has a team option for 2006 for near his 2005 salary.

I'M NEVER IN FAVOR OF KW dealing with Billy Beane.

 

It makes me very, very nervous.

I would much rather see them give up prospects/players to get Hudson at 8 million or whatever he is making, than to give Jaret Wright 7 million a year for 3 years.

I would much rather see them give up prospects/players to get Hudson at 8 million or whatever he is making, than to give Jaret Wright 7 million a year for 3 years.

Agreed. It's a lot more of a sure thing that you're getting someone that's solid in return, in this case.

I would rather send them PK than Lee... even if we had to throw in an extra prospect..

 

PK, Anderson, and a P prospect for Hudson wouldnt really bother me...

 

Lee and Rowand need to stay though

Whatever team does trade for Hudson, they'd be able to get draft picks for him if they didn't sign him to a deal and they offered him arb. If the sox traded for him, they'd offer him arb. He wouldn't get more than $10 mill a yr in arb [and would only accept a long term deal] so even if the sox couldn't sign him past 2005 they'd get something in return.

 

This sounds like KW's M.O. rather than getting a FA. A Lee for Hudson + a prospect deal wouldn't be out of the question. Worst case scenario, the sox get 1 yr of Hudson and at least 3 minor leaguers [w/ 2 coming from compensation picks in 2006].

Now I found this on Rotoworld;

 

 

 

I know everyone would take Hudson over Javier Vazquez, my question is, would you give up Carlos Lee or Aaron Rowand and Jon Garland for Tim Hudson if that is what Billy Beane truly wanted. Bedard could also be a young arm to look at possibly, but I doubt KW would go into that.

No. We are not gaining anything by trading a bat and a picther, who has done as much as Hudson, in fact we may be losing talent.

Assuming the Sox plan on resiging Huddy to a deal I'd be all for it. I'd give Huddy a 3yr 30 mill offer and see if he took it if the teams worked out a deal.

I'd give Huddy a 3yr 30 mill offer and see if he took it if the teams worked out a deal.

I think he'd scoff at you.

I think he'd scoff at you.

Maybe, but I'd be curious to see the type of offers he's getting from Oakland. I'm guessing something around 3yr 24 mill. I think on the open market he gets something like 3yr 36 million, but he may just be willing to accept a 3yr deal now, knowing it secures his future and he doesn't have to worry about FA.

The Baltimore Sun article said Oak. would like a pitcher and an OFer OR a 2B man for Hudson. Garland, Willie Harris plus a prospect?

The Baltimore Sun article said Oak. would like a pitcher and an OFer OR a 2B man for Hudson. Garland, Willie Harris plus a prospect?

NO WAY WOULD I TRADE WILLY!!! He is a future .330/.450/50SB player!

 

 

I wouldn't do that. There are plenty of other pitchers out there that fill our SP role without giving up two good players. I'm scared of Garlands potential so I don't want to deal him. As much as I would want Hudson.

 

What other pitchers will be free agents after 2005? THey are all trade possibilities.

Hudson would pull down more than 4/51 (Colon money). I know that the Yanks, Sawx, and Angels would all have a great deal of interest. MAYBE, you could convince him to sign for 4/44 in an extension but that figure would rise on the open market.

Hudson is an above average pitcher that will demand $$$$$.

 

No way will he come to the Sox. He'll go to a team that actually gives a damn..... if anybody.

Willie's obp makes him bait for the A's. Also his defensive range is pretty good. I could see them being interested in him as a less than primary part of the deal.

I have been thinking about this for a little bit, and I do think a deal centered around Lee and Willie might be able to atleast perk Beane's ears. I do not think he'd want PK over Lee due to him being a 1Bman, him wanting an OFer, and Lee being the better ballplayer. I do not think that Beane will make this move without getting Lee or Uribe, and I would hope to god that KW has no intentions of moving one of the biggest steals in a long time away for a guy who is not even guaranteed to be here for more then 1 year.

 

Something like Lee, Willie, and Diaz for Hudson with the Sox taking on a mill or 2 to even out the salaries could be a possibility...at that point, the Sox signing Hidalgo or Dye becomes not something they could do to improve the team, it becomes a necessity. I do not think I am the only one who wants to go into next year with an OF of Everett-Rowand-Borchard/Timo/Escobar

I deal for hudson in a heartbeat. It have to be a 3 way deal, in which we can unload pauly to someone and we get Hudson, then the A's get who they need.

 

Here is a thought, bear with me... I have not lookinto this at all

 

AZI- Pauly,Valdez

CHi- Hudson

OAK- I don't have time today at work to look at who AZI can afford to give up...

 

Trading someone for pauly is the Key to this deal.

I have been thinking about this for a little bit, and I do think a deal centered around Lee and Willie might be able to atleast perk Beane's ears.  I do not think he'd want PK over Lee due to him being a 1Bman, him wanting an OFer, and Lee being the better ballplayer.  I do not think that Beane will make this move without getting Lee or Uribe, and I would hope to god that KW has no intentions of moving one of the biggest steals in a long time away for a guy who is not even guaranteed to be here for more then 1 year.

 

Something like Lee, Willie, and Diaz for Hudson with the Sox taking on a mill or 2 to even out the salaries could be a possibility...at that point, the Sox signing Hidalgo or Dye becomes not something they could do to improve the team, it becomes a necessity.  I do not think I am the only one who wants to go into next year with an OF of Everett-Rowand-Borchard/Timo/Escobar

Lee signed for 2 years is worth more than just Hudson [and I've never been a big fan of Carlos's]. Esp as Lee is signed for a reasonable [in this marketplace] contract. Though seeing how Hudson would at least get 2 compensation picks if the sox didn't sign him, Lee and a prospect [not a top ten] could be enough, provided the A's wanted Lee