February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 07:55 PM) :banghead .446 i was talking about .337 because that is whats being predicted for this yr. i know that wasnt his obp last yr
February 10, 200521 yr SOX 05 projection vs LH: http://baseball.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batt...Type=2&type=reg .261A .326O .463S .789OPS -/+: -Lee 156AB .308A .385O .551S .937OPS +Pod 147AB .224A .294O .354S .648OPS 04 +Pod 148AB .270A .333O .426S .759OPS 03 : major decline -Maggs 59AB .339A .371O .542S .913OPS +Dye 161AB .280A .376O .491S .866OPS : decline -Olivo 40AB .450A .477O .925S 1.402OPS +AJP 97AB .227A .224O .320S .544OPS : major decline -Val 136AB .191A .262O .404S .666OPS +Ure 178AB .264A .302O .551S .853OPS : major upgrade -Harris 72AB .181A .224O .264S .488OPS +Iggy 116AB .284A .331O .422S .753OPS : major upgrade DH's Wildcards: Everett & Thomas Thomas 050AB .200 .420 .420 .840 04 Thomas 149AB .315 .446 .732 1.177 03 Everett 52AB .231 .293 .288 .582 04 Everett 64AB .266 .319 .406 .725 03 : major upgrade - We can expect our DH to do much better vs LH in 05. Overall: slight upgrade vs LH
February 10, 200521 yr Author QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 08:04 PM) i was talking about .337 because that is whats being predicted for this yr. i know that wasnt his obp last yr .269/.337/.446 >> .262/.343/.323 Iggy would more than make up for the half of a percentage point difference in OBP, by hitting half a percentage point higher, while hitting the ball ALOT farter.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) .269/.337/.446 >> .262/.343/.323 Iggy would more than make up for the half of a percentage point difference in OBP, by hitting half a percentage point higher, while hitting the ball ALOT farter. whatever....im just glad willie isnt the opening day 2b. the sox brass has said willie will compete for the job...Bs. harris isnt even making a million dollars tad is making 2+ Willie... :finger
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(quickman @ Feb 10 @ 2005 -> 01:08 AM) Your so sweet. QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) I Love You Get a room.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(JimH @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 08:30 PM) Notice mine was in green, his wasn't. Mine should have been green too.
February 10, 200521 yr Weird thread I gotta say. Anyways the norm for Japanese players coming over is to take over 30 points off averages etc. which has already been pointed out, but I think Iguchi can rise above that, if he can show that his last 2 seasons weren't a fluke (due to his new hitting stance, and driving the ball to all parts of the field). He'll be hitting half his games at the Cell, so that will stand him in good stead unlike Kaz Matsui he of the 3/20M contract.
February 10, 200521 yr vs LH -Harris 72AB .181A .224O .264S +IggyT 116AB .284A .331O .422S 04 vs RH -Harris 337AB .279A .366O .335S +IggyT 447AB .348A 412O 586S 04 Even with a 30 pt drop it's still a major upgrade over Harris in both
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) SOX 05 projection vs LH: http://baseball.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batt...Type=2&type=reg .261A .326O .463S .789OPS -/+: -Lee 156AB .308A .385O .551S .937OPS +Pod 147AB .224A .294O .354S .648OPS 04 +Pod 148AB .270A .333O .426S .759OPS 03 : major decline -Maggs 59AB .339A .371O .542S .913OPS +Dye 161AB .280A .376O .491S .866OPS : decline -Olivo 40AB .450A .477O .925S 1.402OPS +AJP 97AB .227A .224O .320S .544OPS : major decline -Val 136AB .191A .262O .404S .666OPS +Ure 178AB .264A .302O .551S .853OPS : major upgrade -Harris 72AB .181A .224O .264S .488OPS +Iggy 116AB .284A .331O .422S .753OPS : major upgrade DH's Wildcards: Everett & Thomas Thomas 050AB .200 .420 .420 .840 04 Thomas 149AB .315 .446 .732 1.177 03 Everett 52AB .231 .293 .288 .582 04 Everett 64AB .266 .319 .406 .725 03 : major upgrade - We can expect our DH to do much better vs LH in 05. Overall: slight upgrade vs LH Again, why "just" use Olivo's and Ordonez' stats for this type of comparison. Both players were in the Sox lineup less than half of the season. Compare AJ to the combined stats of Olivo-Alomar-Burke-Davis. Compare Ordonez-Perez-Borchard to Dye. I believe you will find more than a "slight" upgrade.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 06:30 PM) i can live with .269, .337,.446, 10-15 hr's, 30-40 sb's, and gold glove caliber defense. oh, hes also a switch hitter. all i know is that i rather have him starting than Harris. I feel that Iguchi's power numbers will be better than most people anticipate, including the so called experts. His home park in Japan had the longest dimensions in the league and had tall fences to boot. At least, I've been led to believe this from Soxtalk threads. Taking that into account, and the Cell's tendancy to give up the long ball, I would guess about 20 HR from Iguchi, even with the usual power decline shown by other Japanese ballplayers.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 07:10 PM) Because Scott Podsednik's defense has been lauded as one of his strong suits, Uh, I thought people were saying that SPod's defense was his problem, not his strong suit.
February 10, 200521 yr Author QUOTE(knightni @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) Uh, I thought people were saying that SPod's defense was his problem, not his strong suit. When a player has a bad year with the bat, they are almost always called a good glove man... It's from the if-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say category of baseball cliches. I have never had this problem... Pods defense is like Jose Valentin. You're going to have a wide range of opinions. Some will say he's great because he makes diving catches, negelecting to see him take two steps back before breaking in on the ball. Others, will say he gets bad jumps, and should be put at a less demanding defensive position. All I know for sure is Aaron Rowand is almost universally regarded as a very good CF, and Pods is not.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) When a player has a bad year with the bat, they are almost always called a good glove man... It's from the if-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say category of baseball cliches. I have never had this problem... Pods defense is like Jose Valentin. You're going to have a wide range of opinions. Some will say he's great because he makes diving catches, negelecting to see him take two steps back before breaking in on the ball. Others, will say he gets bad jumps, and should be put at a less demanding defensive position. All I know for sure is Aaron Rowand is almost universally regarded as a very good CF, and Pods is not. That is why he is better off in LF. I think if Carl gets hitting, we'd have to have him in the OF, and it is nice though that Podsednik can play CF if we need, as we have four quality OFs, as well as Willie and Timo if need be.
February 10, 200521 yr Author QUOTE(SuperSteve @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) I think if Carl gets hitting, we'd have to have him in the OF, and it is nice though that Podsednik can play CF if we need, as we have four quality OFs, as well as Willie and Timo if need be. Look, "Timo" and "quality OFer" in the same sentence... Even I don't hold that big of a grudge, to bump this thread just for that... Steve are you really in Egypt? What for?
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) Look, "Timo" and "quality OFer" in the same sentence... Even I don't hold that big of a grudge, to bump this thread just for that... Steve are you really in Egypt? What for? Naw, I'm not. I usually have some random crap up on the location thing. I had Wyoming for a little while. I was in Japan once, I think I even made it to Tibet. I am still in East Lansing weeping over the loss to UI.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 10:04 AM) When a player has a bad year with the bat, they are almost always called a good glove man... It's from the if-you-don't-have-anything-nice-to-say category of baseball cliches. I have never had this problem... Pods defense is like Jose Valentin. You're going to have a wide range of opinions. Some will say he's great because he makes diving catches, negelecting to see him take two steps back before breaking in on the ball. Others, will say he gets bad jumps, and should be put at a less demanding defensive position. All I know for sure is Aaron Rowand is almost universally regarded as a very good CF, and Pods is not. According to the UZR method of fielding evaluation, Rowand is a Gold Glover in waiting while Pods is middle of the road: http://www.tangotiger.net/UZR9903TT.html On the other hand, using the DER method of fielding evaluation, which seems to really emphasize speed, Rowand is in the lower tier while Pods is still middle of the pack: http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/008299.php The UZR numbers are only thru 2003 with weighting emphasizing the most recent year. The DER numbers are for 2004.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 9, 2005 -> 08:07 PM) SOX 05 projection vs LH: http://baseball.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/batt...Type=2&type=reg .261A .326O .463S .789OPS -/+: -Lee 156AB .308A .385O .551S .937OPS +Pod 147AB .224A .294O .354S .648OPS 04 +Pod 148AB .270A .333O .426S .759OPS 03 : major decline -Maggs 59AB .339A .371O .542S .913OPS -Everett 52AB .231A .293O .288S .582 -Gload 40AB .425A .452O .650S 1.102 Totl: 159AB +Dye 161AB .280A .376O .491S .866OPS : major decline -Burke 61AB .311A .377O .410S .787 -Olivo 40AB .450A .477O .925S 1.402 Tot: 101AB +AJP 97AB .227A .224O .320S .544OPS : major decline -Val 136AB .191A .262O .404S .666OPS +Ure 178AB .264A .302O .551S .853OPS : major upgrade -Harris 72AB .181A .224O .264S .488OPS +Iggy 116AB .284A .331O .422S .753OPS : major upgrade DH's Wildcards: Everett & Thomas Thomas 050AB .200 .420 .420 .840 04 Thomas 149AB .315 .446 .732 1.177 03 Everett 52AB .231 .293 .288 .582 04 Everett 64AB .266 .319 .406 .725 03 : major upgrade - We can expect our DH to do much better vs LH in 05. Overall: slight upgrade vs LH Again, why "just" use Olivo's and Ordonez' stats for this type of comparison. Both players were in the Sox lineup less than half of the season. Compare AJ to the combined stats of Olivo-Alomar-Burke-Davis. Compare Ordonez-Perez-Borchard to Dye. I believe you will find more than a "slight" upgrade. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You are only concerned with 04 production as it relates to 05 projections. Therefore when doing the comparison you ask who from the 04 team (if they were still on the 25man roster) would be most likely to get those AB's? That would be Olivo, Burke, Everett, & Gload. Their combined 04 AB's have shifted to Dye & AJP. Any AB's they have against LH will be those they take away from others like Borchy, Perez, & Thomas. In that respect you could do a bench comparison & say bench-wise the Sox have a major upgrade. Since Gload will likely get most of Borchy's & Perez' s AB's vs LH's & Everett will get the 1st 1/2 of Thomas' AB's vs LH's it's definitely a major upgrade. But these will total about 1/2 the AB's of an everyday player. Factoring in the Bench players then you can make the claim the Sox have solidly upgraded the team vs LH. I wouldn't go as far to say it's a major upgrade though.
February 10, 200521 yr According to the UZR method of fielding evaluation, Rowand is a Gold Glover in waiting while Pods is middle of the road: http://www.tangotiger.net/UZR9903TT.html On the other hand, using the DER method of fielding evaluation, which seems to really emphasize speed, Rowand is in the lower tier while Pods is still middle of the pack: http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/008299.php The UZR numbers are only thru 2003 with weighting emphasizing the most recent year. The DER numbers are for 2004. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We can't overlook the difference in park dimensions betw these two. Cell is 330, 377, 400, 372, 335 L-R. Rounded CF top. Miler is 344, 371, 400, 374, 345 L-R. Flat CF top. The Cell is a beautifully designed park for OFers. There are no edges & no ravines. It's dimensions mark it a pitcher's nightmate. Miller on the other hand has a trapezoid like top in CF. With those edges that makes it harder to make plays with weird bounces & such. Pods could really flourish playing CF in the Cell but I like him in LF as well because both spots give the Sox advantages. If you put him in LF the short 330 porch means he can cheat more to the right. That allows Rowand to do the same. That configuration means Pods actually covers more or the OF than either Rowand or Dye. Rowand's ability to cheat to the right shrinks the amount of area Dye has to cover. With Rowand's speed you can't cheat to the right like that if you play him in LF.
February 10, 200521 yr QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Feb 10, 2005 -> 12:37 PM) We can't overlook the difference in park dimensions betw these two. Cell is 330, 377, 400, 372, 335 L-R. Rounded CF top. Miler is 344, 371, 400, 374, 345 L-R. Flat CF top. The Cell is a beautifully designed park for OFers. There are no edges & no ravines. It's dimensions mark it a pitcher's nightmate. Miller on the other hand has a trapezoid like top in CF. With those edges that makes it harder to make plays with weird bounces & such. Pods could really flourish playing CF in the Cell but I like him in LF as well because both spots give the Sox advantages. If you put him in LF the short 330 porch means he can cheat more to the right. That allows Rowand to do the same. That configuration means Pods actually covers more or the OF than either Rowand or Dye. Rowand's ability to cheat to the right shrinks the amount of area Dye has to cover. With Rowand's speed you can't cheat to the right like that if you play him in LF. Park factors are accounted for in UZR numbers: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...n_2003-03-21_0/ They are not considered in DER.
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