May 17, 200520 yr QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 17, 2005 -> 09:08 PM) One question -- do you think Crede could ever hit .319 AVG / .362 OBP / .589 SLG with 46 HR's and 144 RBI's playing in Coors Field? If you say yes, you are a liar. No... I don't recall implying that Crede would hit .300+ either... But, you can't rewind to six years ago, we're talking about a 37 or 36 year old Vinny Castilla. The last four years his OPS+ has been 94, 61 ( :headshake ), 101, and 104 -- so, he's been about average, or worse. All this, might I add, while making somewhere around $17 million bucks. So, four million (plus change) for a guy who's about league average (at this point in his career, and I don't see how you can refute that), or less than a million for a guy who will give you solid defense, worse-than-league-average offense (though he is entering his prime years). Add in the fact that you'd have to give something to get Castilla, and I'll take Crede...
May 17, 200520 yr No... I don't recall implying that Crede would hit .300+ either... But, you can't rewind to six years ago, we're talking about a 37 or 36 year old Vinny Castilla. The last four years his OPS+ has been 94, 61 ( :headshake ), 101, and 104 -- so, he's been about average, or worse. All this, might I add, while making somewhere around $17 million bucks. So, four million (plus change) for a guy who's about league average (at this point in his career, and I don't see how you can refute that), or less than a million for a guy who will give you solid defense, worse-than-league-average offense (though he is entering his prime years). Add in the fact that you'd have to give something to get Castilla, and I'll take Crede... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In Castilla's last non-Coors season, he hit .277 for the Braves in 2003. Crede hit .261 in 2003 and only .239 last season. I guess that's not really big difference though.
May 17, 200520 yr Worst thread of the season. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ... until Crede's average is back down to .239 like last season.
May 17, 200520 yr QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 17, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) ... until Crede's average is back down to .239 like last season. Why the f*** do people want to replace a player makign the money he is? He is not one of the main problems at this point. Bullpen is gonna end up being a problem as i have said since the off-season and the core of the damn line-up making all the money can't do s***. Crede should is way down the line.
May 17, 200520 yr Why the f*** do people want to replace a player makign the money he is? He is not one of the main problems at this point. Bullpen is gonna end up being a problem as i have said since the off-season and the core of the damn line-up making all the money can't do s***. Crede should is way down the line. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So because Crede isn't the worst offender of the bunch, no one should complain about him? Konerko and Dye are being covered in other threads. There's more than enough posts to go around for all of them. Cruddy's 1 for 17 in this homestead is as frustrating as Paulsy's and Dead's struggles at the plate. Edited May 17, 200520 yr by Jabroni
May 17, 200520 yr Vinny Castilla in 2005 Home: 58 AB .345 AVG 11 EXTRA-BASE HITS 15 RBI .415 OBP .655 SLG Road: 69 AB .275 AVG 5 EXTRA-BASE HITS 8 RBI .359 OBP .377 SLG Is the jury still out on RFK Stadium, or is it clearly a hitters park? I have some Rotoworld season preview guide that presumed pitching-friendly conditions. Wanting to bring in a new third baseman....there's nothing wrong with that. But come on, try again. Come up with another option. Vinny Castilla was horrible away from Coors last year with some isolated power here and there (big freaking deal). You like Jeromy Burnitz too?
May 17, 200520 yr Vinny Castilla in 2005 Home: 58 AB .345 AVG 11 EXTRA-BASE HITS 15 RBI .415 OBP .655 SLG Road: 69 AB .275 AVG 5 EXTRA-BASE HITS 8 RBI .359 OBP .377 SLG Is the jury still out on RFK Stadium, or is it clearly a hitters park? I have some Rotoworld season preview guide that presumed pitching-friendly conditions. Wanting to bring in a new third baseman....there's nothing wrong with that. But come on, try again. Come up with another option. Vinny Castilla was horrible away from Coors last year with some isolated power here and there (big freaking deal). You like Jeromy Burnitz too? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jeromy Burnitz is looking a helluva lot better than Jermaine Dead right about now just like Castilla would look a lot better than Cruddy. I'm not saying we should trade for Castilla but those are the facts. Edited May 17, 200520 yr by Jabroni
May 17, 200520 yr From all accounts I read, RFK was supposed to be very pitcher friendly. Their hitters have hti, but their pitching (including Loaiza) has been very good so it might just be that they are a good team that hits and pitches well in that park.
May 17, 200520 yr From all accounts I read, RFK was supposed to be very pitcher friendly. Their hitters have hti, but their pitching (including Loaiza) has been very good so it might just be that they are a good team that hits and pitches well in that park. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's definately a pitcher-friendly park... http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/NASApp...ark/history.jsp Field Dimensions: Left field: 335 feet Left-Center: 385 feet Center Field: 410 feet Right-Center: 385 feet Right field: 335 feet Backstop: 60 feet During the Cubs @ Nationals series, there were quite a few balls that were crushed but were just shy of being homeruns due to RFK's dimensions. Edited May 17, 200520 yr by Jabroni
May 17, 200520 yr Author QUOTE(qwerty @ May 17, 2005 -> 09:37 PM) Why the f*** do people want to replace a player makign the money he is? He is not one of the main problems at this point. Bullpen is gonna end up being a problem as i have said since the off-season and the core of the damn line-up making all the money can't do s***. Crede should is way down the line. I swear I had the exact same argument for the folks who wanted to abandon Garland the last few years. Amazing... However, we are trying to improve from a playoff team to a WS winner....every move/non-move will matter in the playoffs.
May 18, 200520 yr QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 17, 2005 -> 08:18 PM) A.J Pierzynski has an average lower than Joe Crede. Just some food for thought. Henry blanco damn it.
May 18, 200520 yr QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 17, 2005 -> 09:24 PM) In Castilla's last non-Coors season, he hit .277 for the Braves in 2003. Crede hit .261 in 2003 and only .239 last season. I guess that's not really big difference though. He was average. Crede was worse than average. But OPS+ is an obscure statistic, so nevermind.
May 18, 200520 yr while we're at it, let's swing a trade for every player off to a hot start. get Konerko out of there, let's get Tino Martinez at first. Johnny Damon's batting .365, how about Rowand for Damon? or Jermaine Dye for Chipper Jones? (green means sarcastic, right?) Edited May 18, 200520 yr by AirScott
May 18, 200520 yr Author QUOTE(AirScott @ May 18, 2005 -> 02:11 AM) while we're at it, let's swing a trade for every player off to a hot start. get Konerko out of there, let's get Tino Martinez at first. Johnny Damon's batting .365, how about Rowand for Damon? or Jermaine Dye for Chipper Jones? (green means sarcastic, right?) Dumbass, you might want to read my posts again. I said let's wait until A/S break before going for him..... :headshake
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