June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) God Damn it. Look at all the stats of the top closers, WHIP, BAA, OPSA, K/9 Wickman is behind in all of them. You're the one who brought up ERA, I showed you his ERA sucks compared to other AL closers. Politte's stats> Crain's Politte's stats> Wickman Top three closers in the ALs stats> Wickman. You have absolutley no argument here. a guy who closes games for a living is more deserving than a guy who holds leads in the 7th and 8th for a living. i really don't understand how you don't get this.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:18 PM) His era will be around four at the end of the year. He has alot of things against him now. I hope Hermy puts up a 4.24 ERA and Rowand a .271 average.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:18 PM) Yes, yes they do. Nah. They are top 5 for sure. Maybe top 3. I gotta give Minny the best bullpen honors.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Nah. They are top 5 for sure. Maybe top 3. I gotta give Minny the best bullpen honors. Look at the stats they do.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 03:21 PM) Already have a bet with wite on it and rowand. Afraid to make bets with me anymore??
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) I hope Hermy puts up a 4.24 ERA and Rowand a .271 average. I said rowand with his in the .270's, not .270 or lower. I have it saved if you want to see it. Once more flop on aim.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Nah. They are top 5 for sure. Maybe top 3. I gotta give Minny the best bullpen honors. As far as actual playoff contenders? Probably.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) Nah. They are top 5 for sure. Maybe top 3. I gotta give Minny the best bullpen honors. Is Minny's better because they have a worse ERA, WHIP, K/BB, K/9, BAA, OPSA?
June 28, 200520 yr i listed you 12 guys who i think are all-star pitchers. the one guy you don't think is going to go is bob wickman, the saves leader. i am willing to make wagers with anyone and everyone that cliff politte isn't going to the all-star game. i'll bet ANYTHING on this.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) Each have 29 innings. Wick-26 hits Cliff-13 Wick-9 runs Cliff-4 runs Wick-12BB Cliff-8BB Wick-16 K's Cliff-31 K's Wick-4.97 K's per nine Cliff-9.51 K's per nine Wick-.241 BAA Cliff-.135 BAA Wick-2.79 ERA Cliff-1.23 ERA Anything else?? End of discussion.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) Afraid to make bets with me anymore?? See i have always really liked cotts as you know. But at the beginning of the year you have to take a bet like that, especially considering i am not the optimist you are, no one really is.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) If ERA is so important, then Cliff should go. haha touche! if cliff was a closer, he'd be there. he's not, so he won't. that's what it comes down to.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) a guy who closes games for a living is more deserving than a guy who holds leads in the 7th and 8th for a living. i really don't understand how you don't get this. Wickman isn't even that good of a closer. Politte is the most valuable middle reliever in the AL this season. So since a closer is more deserving simply because he's a closer than Foulke should go to the All-Star game of Cliff too right?
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:20 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggreg...128&season=2005 the indians have a bullpen era of 2.78. Didn't you just say ERA doesn't mean s***???
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) i listed you 12 guys who i think are all-star pitchers. the one guy you don't think is going to go is bob wickman, the saves leader. i am willing to make wagers with anyone and everyone that cliff politte isn't going to the all-star game. i'll bet ANYTHING on this. We're arguing that he should be there, most of us realize he probably won't be there but he's definitely deserving.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) i listed you 12 guys who i think are all-star pitchers. the one guy you don't think is going to go is bob wickman, the saves leader. i am willing to make wagers with anyone and everyone that cliff politte isn't going to the all-star game. i'll bet ANYTHING on this. The arguement isn't will he go, the arguement is should he go. Completely different thing.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) See i have always really liked cotts as you know. But at the beginning of the year you have to take a bet like that, especially considering i am not the optimist you are, no one really is. This is true but as I've told you Neal is one of the guys I've always felt strong about, I've always thought he was going to be really, really good.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) The arguement isn't will he go, the arguement is should he go. Completely different thing. lol well i SHOULD be able to have sex with heidi klum, but that's not happening either.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) lol well i SHOULD be able to have sex with heidi klum, but that's not happening either. :banghead
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) lol well i SHOULD be able to have sex with heidi klum, but that's not happening either. That doesn't even make any f***ing sense. You lost, grow up.
June 28, 200520 yr This has become really pointless. We all pretty much have the same opinion. Consesncus says (not including jerseysox): Politte > Crain, Rhodes, Wickman, etc. Politte should be in the ASG Politte will not be in the ASG Cleveland = Best Bullpen Any arguments???
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) lol well i SHOULD be able to have sex with heidi klum, but that's not happening either. Man, I remember when I was 11 too!
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 04:27 PM) That doesn't even make any f***ing sense. You lost, grow up. i lost what? don't be an asshole junior. it's a f***ing debate over cliff politte, he shouldn't and won't be an all-star.
June 28, 200520 yr QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) i lost what? don't be an asshole junior. it's a f***ing debate over cliff politte, he shouldn't and won't be an all-star. You said it yourself. Cliff Politte not Heidi Klum....you lose!
June 28, 200520 yr This s*** is pointless. Since stats appearently meen nothing here, there really is not argument either way. I'm done.
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