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QUOTE(Wanne @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 03:23 PM)
Just a question...I'm not sure if it starts (as you would think) with the team with the worst record forward or what?

I believe that it is the team with the worst record in your league to the team with the best in your league, then the team with the worst record in the other league to the team with the best record.

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QUOTE(Wanne @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 03:23 PM)
Just a question...I'm not sure if it starts (as you would think) with the team with the worst record forward or what?

 

Say, someone from the NL goes on waivers, the order goes from worst record to best record in the NL then from worst record to best record in the opposite league--or, in this case, the AL.

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So if it's common knowledge that a deal has been struck with a certain team...another team can claim in terms of trying to block it? And ultimately the team that put the player on waivers can revoke the waivers?...is this kinda how it goes?

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Off the top of my head:

 

American League:

1.) Kansas City

2.) Tampa Bay

3.) Seattle

4.) Baltimore

5.) Detroit

6.) Texas

7.) Minnesota

8.) Toronto

9.) Cleveland

10.) Yankees

11.) Oakland

12.) LA Angles

13.) Boston

14.) White Sox

 

National League:

1.) Colorado

2.) Pittsburgh

3.) San Francisco

4.) LA Dodgers

5.) Cincinnati

6.) Arizona

7.) San Diego

8.) Milwaukee

9.) Cubs

10.) Mets

11.) Florida

12.) Philadelphia

13.) Washington

14.) Houston

14.) Atlanta

15.) St. Louis

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QUOTE(Wanne @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 03:31 PM)
So if it's common knowledge that a deal has been struck with a certain team...another team can claim in terms of trying to block it?  And ultimately the team that put the player on waivers can revoke the waivers?...is this kinda how it goes?

 

Yes. But if the team claims a player and they actually aquire him they are soley responsible for his entire contract. One reason Griffey Jr. might make it through.

 

Plus it makes it unlikely that the two teams trying to complete the trade will want to deal with the team that blocked it anytime soon.

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QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:37 PM)
Yes. But if the team claims a player and they actually aquire him they are soley responsible for his entire contract. One reason Griffey Jr. might make it through.

 

Plus it makes it unlikely that the two teams trying to complete the trade will want to deal with the team that blocked it anytime soon.

Jose Canseco and Randy Myers. Prime examples of why players with giant contracts will not be blocked if placed on waivers.

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QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:37 PM)
Yes. But if the team claims a player and they actually aquire him they are soley responsible for his entire contract. One reason Griffey Jr. might make it through.

 

Plus it makes it unlikely that the two teams trying to complete the trade will want to deal with the team that blocked it anytime soon.

Ken Griffey will make it through for sure IMHO. The Reds could just say there you go, have him, they're stuck with him then (although I see him staying in Cincy).

 

That is not all true too. Often times GM would see it as you help me this time, I'll help you next time. But, you have to remember this is a business. If you're trying to block a trade by someone, odds are you're not going to be dealing with them anyways as they're a direct competitor. If you won't deal with a team to make your team better because another GM was "very mean to you *tear*," you're just an idiot.

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QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:43 PM)
I doubt either of those players had a Griffey-sized contract, not to mention Jr.'s health concerns.

Well Canseco didn't but Randy Myers was owed something like $12M for next 2 years. Canseco was making good money but the Yankees had absolutely no use for him so they paid him a good amount of cash to sit on their bench.

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QUOTE(SuperSteve @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:44 PM)
Which makes it even riskier to claim Griffey.

That's the point Steve. We're last. We won't claim anyone.

 

Once a player clears waivers, however, he is eligible to be traded to any team. We'd pass on Griffey and work something out with specs so that Cinci would eat some contract. There's no way we would risk putting a claim on him.

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:45 PM)
Well Canseco didn't but Randy Myers was owed something like $12M for next 2 years. Canseco was making good money but the Yankees had absolutely no use for him so they paid him a good amount of cash to sit on their bench.

 

$12M for 2 years for Randy Myers is a much safer bet than the $50M+ owed to Griffey. No way he gets claimed by anyone.

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QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:47 PM)
That's the point Steve. We're last. We won't claim anyone.

 

Once a player clears waivers, however, he is eligible to be traded to any team. We'd pass on Griffey and work something out with specs so that Cinci would eat some contract. There's no way we would risk putting a claim on him.

I wasn't saying for us. I was saying in general refering the the people who are worried Griffey will get claimed.

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QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:47 PM)
$12M for 2 years for Randy Myers is a much safer bet than the $50M+ owed to Griffey. No way he gets claimed by anyone.

That was my point, if the Padres got sqrewed by paying $14M (much closer to the actually figure) over two years for Randy Myers. Then NO team will claim Griffey and risk taking on a contract that is 1000X riskier.

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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 04:55 PM)
That was my point, if the Padres got sqrewed by paying $14M (much closer to the actually figure) over two years for Randy Myers. Then NO team will claim Griffey and risk taking on a contract that is 1000X riskier.

Also, that was 1998 vs. 2005..... That was before the baseball salaries exploded. $6M/yr was huge back then.

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QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Aug 5, 2005 -> 05:03 PM)
Also, that was 1998 vs. 2005..... That was before the baseball salaries exploded. $6M/yr was huge back then.

Which adds even more validity to my point. NO team will claim Griffey and some people just don't understand this.

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