Know your waiver rules...

[Steff]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...yson&id=1860265

 

Know your waiver rules

By Jayson Stark

ESPN.com

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Warning from the surgeon general: Trying to make sense of baseball's waiver system can be hazardous to your mental health.

 

There are all kinds of waivers for all different occasions. But essentially, here is how waiver deals can be made between Aug. 1 and the Aug. 31 deadline for setting potential playoff rosters:

 

 

Virtually every player in the major leagues will be placed on waivers this month, whether a team intends to trade that player or not. If nothing else, the sheer volume of names can at least disguise players whom clubs do want to sneak through so they can be dealt.

 

 

If a player isn't claimed by any team in either league, he can be traded until the end of the month to anyone.

 

 

If a player is claimed, but only by one team, the player can be traded only to the team that claims him.

 

 

If a player is claimed by more than one team, the club with the worst record in that player's league gets priority -- and the player can be traded only to that team.

 

 

If a player is claimed only by teams in the other league, the club with the worst record in the other league gets priority -- and the player can be traded just to that team.

 

 

If a deal can't be worked out or the team doesn't want to trade that player, he can be pulled back off waivers once in August. If he is placed on waivers again before September, he can't be recalled a second time.

 

 

Or, if a team is just hoping to dump a player's salary, it can simply allow a team which claimed that player to have him for a small waiver fee. If that happens, the team that gets the player has to pay his entire salary. That's how the Yankees were stuck with Jose Canseco and the Padres were stuck with Randy Myers in recent years: They claimed those players, thinking they were just blocking other teams from getting them. Instead, their old clubs said: "You claimed him. You got him."

 

 

In the past, many teams claimed players just to keep them from being traded to contenders with a better record. This year, that isn't expected to happen as often, because most teams can't afford to get stuck with a big contract if they're awarded a player they really didn't want.

[JUGGERNAUT]

And the ignorance continues. Read up as these are the ML rules & not just re-gurgitations of columnists:

 

For the umpteenth time,

 

MAJOR LEAGUE WAIVERS:

A ML club needs to secure this type of waiver in order to option a player if the date of the assignment is >= 3 yrs after the date the player 1st reported to a ML club. One year is deducted from the 3 yrs if the player spent an option year prior to reporting to a ML club.

 

Now I'll simplify it more for you. I don't believe BMac & Anderson spent any option years prior to reporting to the White Sox this year. Therefore in accordance with the rule, they do not have to clear ML waivers.

 

Further the 40 man roster for nearly all teams often contains ml players (players signed to ml deals) that have been called up throughout the season. Generally speaking, as long as they are 1st or 2nd year players they do not have to clear ML waivers.

 

If you interpret most to mean majority+1 then it's more than likely most players are put on ML waivers. If you interpret it to mean 90%+1 then it's not likely that many players are put on ML waivers.

 

Now Stark has upped the ante by claiming virtually every player in the Major Leagues is put on ML waivers. That's close to 1200 players. The Reds COO hasn't even suggested that many in anger. What's more it defies the rules governing ml players signed to ml deals called up to play in the ML's.

 

So again this looks like a prime example of an off-the-cuff remark without looking at numbers :rolly

Edited August 17, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[Steff]

So why don't you shoot him an email and let him know how ignorant he is on the rules rather than acting like a grade A asshole around here and calling everyone else ignorant when they are not the makers of the rules but not so ignorant as to not read as much information as they can to learn about the process.

 

Ignorant... irony.

[JUGGERNAUT]

As it is essential to the KGJ trade & will place greater pressure on the White Sox if he were to publish it I will send him an e-mail & ask him to weigh in on callups that signed ml deals or were governed by ml contracts.

 

BTW it violates ESPN's copyright to simply re-publish Stark's articles. It's best to paraphrase them & provide a footnote or link.

 

Can any one provide his e-mail address?

Edited August 17, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[Steff]

As it is essential to the KGJ trade & will place greater pressure on the White Sox if he were to publish it I will send him an e-mail & ask him to weigh in on callups that signed ml deals or were governed by ml contracts.

 

 

 

The rules concerning waivers are plain as day in black in white. You have posted 4 different variations of them in the past 3 days - after you called Bruce Levine a liar and that Griffey was NOT on waivers - to support whichever bulls*** you are spewing at that time. You have sliced and diced them to no end. And even still when confronted with questions that don't support up your crap (several unanswered questions in all 6 of the Griffey threads) you respond by calling people ignorant. After people post their opinions on the trade.. you call them ignorant. After people comment on the Reds comment that they are not trading him.. you call them ignorant. And after I post this - from a reputable source - you call me ignorant.

 

Is it really necessary to contact Starck..? This nationally published articles aren't enough, right..?

 

Just cut to the chase and call him ignorant. At least be consistant.

[JUGGERNAUT]

Let's see you asked me to e-mail Stark & ask him, & then when I ask you for his e-mail address you ignore the question & instead engage in another personal attack post.

 

The rule is pretty specific & it comes from a reputable source. A game maker that has a copy of the MLB rule book & makes use of it in their game developement. I've provided the link before but it's pretty obvious by your posts in this thread that you are more interested in personal attacks than the issue of major league waivers.

Edited August 17, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT

[JUGGERNAUT]

http://add.yahoo.com/fast/help/us/sports/cgi_sandberg

 

I've asked Ryno whether minor league players having options called up to the majors have to clear ML waivers before being traded. Hopefully he'll respond.

[CanOfCorn]

:sleep

[southsider2k5]

E-Mail Hawk too and tell the former GM he was ignorant as he basically repeated word for word what Stark published... Also email former GM Steve Phillips and tell him that he was also ignorant of the rules, and couldn't have possibly done what he claimed to have done in his chats...