Based off the latest movements, here is the current roster. It looks like the Sox are 95% set. Where do you see any changes? Obviously slot #25 goes to Anderson/Owens/Young or whoever is going to play OF, but besides that, where are the other moves going to be if any(Marte, El Duque, Harris, Perez)? Where is an upgraded needed or likely? Just your thoughts in general. I kept thinking Mueller, but unless the Sox unload an IF, they be very thin in the OF, even if Ozuna can possibly play there. With the loss of Rowand and Everett, and the addition of Thome, the Sox are actually down 2 OF's from last year.

 

SP

1. Buehrle

2. Contreras

3. Garcia

4. Garland

5. McCarthy

 

RP

6. Hernandez

7. Cotts

8. Politte

9. Jenks

10. Hermanson

11. Vizcaino

12. Marte

 

C

13. Pierzynski

14. Widger

 

IF

15. Crede

16. Iguchi

17. Konerko

18. Thome

19. Uribe

20. Ozuna

21. Harris

 

OF

22. Dye

23. Podsednik

24. Perez

25. *

Edited December 1, 200520 yr by WinninUgly

Why in the hell is Timo Perez still on that team?

How Timo has survived, I do not know.

Based off the latest movements, here is the current roster.  It looks like the Sox are 95% set.  Where do you see any changes?  Obviously slot #25 goes to Anderson/Owens/Young or whoever is going to play OF, but besides that, where are the other moves going to be if any(Marte, El Duque, Harris, Perez)?  Where is an upgraded needed or likely?  Just your thoughts in general.

 

SP

1. Buehrle

2. Contreras

3. Garcia

4. Garland

5. McCarthy

 

RP

6. Hernandez

7. Cotts

8. Politte

9. Jenks

10. Hermanson

11. Vizcaino

12. Marte

 

C

13. Pierzynski

14. Widger

 

IF

15. Crede

16. Iguchi

17. Konerko

18. Thome

19. Uribe

20. Ozuna

21. Harris

 

OF

22. Dye

23. Podsednik

24. Perez

25.  *

 

SP

1. Buehrle

2. Contreras

3. Garcia

4. Garland

5. McCarthy

 

RP

6. Hernandez

7. Cotts

8. Politte

9. Jenks

10. Vizcaino

11. Marte

 

I've been hearing that Hermanson won't be ready by the beginning of the year due to the back problems. I don't remember where I heard that, but I'm not sure, if anyone has any info on that it would be great.

 

C

12. Pierzynski

13. Widger

 

IF

14. Crede

15. Iguchi

16. Konerko

17. Thome

18. Uribe

19. Ozuna

20. Mueller/Backup IF (Primarily 3B)

 

OF

22. Dye

23. Podsednik

24. Anderson

25. Backup OF who can play all 3 spots

 

Thats what I see happening. Interested to see what you guys think.

SP

1. Buehrle

2. Contreras

3. Garcia

4. Garland

5. McCarthy

 

RP

6. Hernandez

7. Cotts

8. Politte

9. Jenks

10. Vizcaino

11. Marte

 

I've been hearing that Hermanson won't be ready by the beginning of the year due to the back problems.  I don't remember where I heard that, but I'm not sure, if anyone has any info on that it would be great.

 

C

12. Pierzynski

13. Widger

 

IF

14. Crede

15. Iguchi

16. Konerko

17. Thome

18. Uribe

19. Ozuna

20. Mueller/Backup IF (Primarily 3B)

 

OF

22. Dye

23. Podsednik

24. Anderson

25. Backup OF who can play all 3 spots

 

Thats what I see happening.  Interested to see what you guys think.

 

I agree with all these (we won't carry 12 pitchers), except for your bench. You have some positions that are not well-covered. I suspect the bench will look like this:

 

Widger ©

Ozuna (3B, corner OF, or SS if absolutely necessary)

Harris (2B, SS, CF)

Backup OF (Could be any of Anderson, Owens, Borch or someone outside)

Mueller or other INF (could be Gload, or Cintron, or ???)

 

That gives you essentially 2 backups at any given OF position and all INF positions, and the Mueller-esque position can be anything.

Edited December 1, 200520 yr by NorthSideSox72

How Timo has survived, I do not know.

I still say Borchard>>>Timo, even though that's not saying that much.

I still say Borchard>>>Timo, even though that's not saying that much.

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But what sounds better..

 

Come on Timo,Come on Timo,Come on Timo

 

OR

 

Come on Joey,Come on Joey,Come on Joey.

I agree with all these (we won't carry 12 pitchers), except for your bench.  You have some positions that are not well-covered.  I suspect the bench will look like this:

 

Widger ©

Ozuna (3B, corner OF, or SS if absolutely necessary)

Harris (2B, SS, CF)

Backup OF (Could be any of Anderson, Owens, Borch or someone outside)

Mueller or other INF (could be Gload, or Cintron, or ???)

 

That gives you essentially 2 backups at any given OF position and all INF positions, and the Mueller-esque position can be anything.

 

So basically there is almost a guaranteed lock on these 19:

Buehrle, Contreras, Garcia, Garland, McCarthy, Cotts, Politte, Jenks, Vizcaino, Pierzynski, Widger, Crede, Iguchi, Konerko, Thome, Uribe, Ozuna, Dye, Podsednik.

 

and the other 6 roster spots are up for grabs with these guys currently on the roster filling 5 of those 6:

Hernandez

Hermanson

Marte

Harris

Perez

 

I just think the Sox are short too many OF's. They had Everett as DH but he still played some RF as needed. With him and Aaron gone, that leaves basically 2 holes since Thome fills the DH and backup 1B role. Ozuna covers 3B, Harris covers 2B/SS. So unless the Sox unload Ozuna or Harris, I don't see them picking up another IF like Mueller unless they really don't trust Joe's back.

Edited December 1, 200520 yr by WinninUgly

Replace Timo with Borchard. That's the way I see it. Hopefully, Bill Mueller is the 25th man.

So basically there is almost a guaranteed lock on these 19:

Buehrle, Contreras, Garcia, Garland, McCarthy, Cotts, Politte, Jenks, Vizcaino, Pierzynski, Widger, Crede, Iguchi, Konerko, Thome, Uribe, Ozuna, Dye, Podsednik.

 

and the other 6 roster spots are up for grabs with these guys currently on the roster filling 5 of those 6:

Hernandez

Hermanson

Marte

Harris

Perez

 

I just think the Sox are short too many OF's.  They had Everett as DH but he still played some RF as needed.  With him and Aaron gone, that leaves basically 2 holes since Thome fills the DH and backup 1B role.  Ozuna covers 3B, Harris covers 2B/SS.  So unless the Sox unload Ozuna or Harris, I don't see them picking up another IF like Mueller unless they really don't trust Joe's back.

Funny how you don't mention the Sox' starting CF in '06: Brian Anderson in any of this.

SP: Mark Buehrle

SP: Jose Contreras

SP: Jon Garland

SP: Freddy Garcia

SP: Brandon McCarthy

 

RP: Arnie Munoz

RP: Orlando Hernandez

RP: Bobby Jenks

RP: Cliff Politte

RP: Neal Cotts

RP: Dustin Hermanson

 

C: A.J. Pierzynski

1B: Paul Konerko

2B: Tadahito Iguchi

3B: Joe Crede

SS: Juan Uribe

RF: Jermaine Dye

CF: Brian Anderson

LF: Scott Podsednik

DH: Jim Thome (just starting to sink in)

 

C: Chris Widger

IF: Bill Mueller

IF: Pablo Ozuna

OF: Timo Perez

OF: Willie Harris

 

Sign Frank Thomas to a small money deal with plenty of bonuses. Than when Frank is ready send Harris down or trade him. Release Vizcaino and trade Marte. Munoz will be fine as a lefty specialist. He deserves a 2nd chance in the bullpen where he belongs.

^^^

NO to just about all of it.

 

Frank Thomas is done as a White Sox, some of you need to get over it, seriously.

Edited December 2, 200520 yr by Kalapse

SP: Mark Buehrle

SP: Jose Contreras

SP: Jon Garland

SP: Freddy Garcia

SP: Brandon McCarthy

 

RP: Arnie Munoz

RP: Orlando Hernandez

RP: Bobby Jenks

RP: Cliff Politte

RP: Neal Cotts

RP: Dustin Hermanson

 

C: A.J. Pierzynski

1B: Paul Konerko

2B: Tadahito Iguchi

3B: Joe Crede

SS: Juan Uribe

RF: Jermaine Dye

CF: Brian Anderson

LF: Scott Podsednik

DH: Jim Thome (just starting to sink in)

 

C: Chris Widger

IF: Bill Mueller

IF: Pablo Ozuna

OF: Timo Perez

OF: Willie Harris

 

Sign Frank Thomas to a small money deal with plenty of bonuses.  Than when Frank is ready send Harris down or trade him.  Release Vizcaino and trade Marte.  Munoz will be fine as a lefty specialist.  He deserves a 2nd chance in the bullpen where he belongs.

Absolutely wrong and never going to happen.

 

1.) IMO, Frank will not be back.

 

2.) Arnie Munoz? I would take Marte over him any day honestly.

 

3.) You cant just up and trade Vizcaino, Marte, and Harris.

Edited December 2, 200520 yr by SoxFan1

^^^

NO to just about all of it.

You mean you would rather have Marte? He f***ing sucks. Please don't judge Munoz on that game in Montreal. He was put in an awful situation. He did well out of the bullpen in September and his Curveball is great when it is on.

You mean you would rather have Marte?  He f***ing sucks.  Please don't judge Munoz on that game in Montreal.  He was put in an awful situation.  He did well out of the bullpen in September and his Curveball is great when it is on.

Marte >>>>> Munoz.

 

There's just about no case to be made against this logic.

Absolutely wrong and never going to happen.

 

1.) IMO, Frank will not be back.

 

2.) Arnie Munoz? I would take Marte over him any day honestly.

 

3.) You cant just up and trade Vizcaino, Marte, and Harris.

I think Hernandez is actually better used in the Bullpen. He would be pretty much taking Vizcaino's spot as a long guy out of the pen.

Funny how you don't mention the Sox' starting CF in '06: Brian Anderson in any of this.

I was going based off the current 25 man roster which Anderson is not on, but I do agree with you.

You forgot

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And I dont like Marte.

I thought that would be overkill.

 

I just don't really see any arguement the other way.

Marte >>>>> Munoz.

 

There's just about no case to be made against this logic.

look at the stats Munoz put up in the bullpen. They were pretty good. You are saying all this on his start at Montreal. That start should've never happened.

He had a 3.97 ERA (he had one bad game at KC that made his ERA go up) and they hit .238 against him.

He had a 3.97 ERA (he had one bad game at KC that made his ERA go up) and they hit .238 against him.

11.1 IP 9BB/10SO GMAFB

look at the stats Munoz put up in the bullpen.  They were pretty good.  You are saying all this on his start at Montreal.  That start should've never happened.

 

Josh, concede this one, big fella. There's just no arguing Munoz has more value on an MLB roster than Damaso Marte. It can't be done.

 

Damaso has proven when he has his head screwed on right and his pitches working, he is amongst the elite left-handed relievers in the game of baseball.

 

Sorry, buddy, but just step out of this one.

Edited December 2, 200520 yr by AddisonStSox

11.1 IP 9BB/10SO GMAFB

he was a f***ing rookie. Look at stats Neal Cotts put up in 2004. They were brutal. You have to give Munoz a chance IMHO.

SP

1. Buehrle

2. Contreras

3. Garcia

4. Garland

5. McCarthy

 

RP

6. Hernandez

7. Cotts

8. Politte

9. Jenks

10. Vizcaino

11. Marte

 

I've been hearing that Hermanson won't be ready by the beginning of the year due to the back problems.  I don't remember where I heard that, but I'm not sure, if anyone has any info on that it would be great.

 

C

12. Pierzynski

13. Widger

 

IF

14. Crede

15. Iguchi

16. Konerko

17. Thome

18. Uribe

19. Ozuna

20. Mueller/Backup IF (Primarily 3B)

 

OF

22. Dye

23. Podsednik

24. Anderson

25. Backup OF who can play all 3 spots

 

Thats what I see happening.  Interested to see what you guys think.

 

 

I think you are accurate in the extreme. I'm anticipating our opening-day roster to look an awfully lot like this unless there are some unforseen injuries during spring training.

 

Now, if I were the one wearing the GM hat, I'd send Marte to San Diego for a package surrounding Sean Burroughs, sign Mike Myers to a 2Y/3M deal, and pack it in.

 

Oh, and for what it's worth, I'm not the general manager.

he was a f***ing rookie.  Look at stats Neal Cotts put up in 2004.  They were brutal.  You have to give Munoz a chance IMHO.

No, no you don't. He is owed nothing.