How can a fact include "I believe"?  Isn't that an opinion?

The FACT is he believes that statement.

How can a fact include "I believe"?  Isn't that an opinion?

 

Pretty simple. It is a fact that he believes abortion is murder. It is a statement about his beliefs.

Pretty simple.  It is a fact that he believes abortion is murder.  It is a statement about his beliefs.

 

It comes off as (abortion = murder) is a fact.

As a priest, I can tell you that priests politically break down pretty much as society does, republican and democrat, liberal and conservative.  Which I consider a shame.  From the gospel and our respective traditions, we should have the privilege of critiquing the entire political spectrum, engage in value-oriented debates.  Many, though, are in the hip pocket of one party or another.  :headshake

 

I would have figured priests were about even....just as catholics are about split as well.

As a priest, I can tell you that priests politically break down pretty much as society does, republican and democrat, liberal and conservative.  Which I consider a shame.  From the gospel and our respective traditions, we should have the privilege of critiquing the entire political spectrum, engage in value-oriented debates.  Many, though, are in the hip pocket of one party or another.  :headshake

wait, wait, wait--you're a priest?!?!?!

I'm Lutheran and a regular church goer, and I notice no political influence at all at church to be honest. Maybe that's why I like my church so much though....it's not common.

How can a fact include "I believe"?  Isn't that an opinion?

 

The Fact is that I Believe what I what I said. The sentence is strucured to clearly state that.

It comes off as (abortion = murder) is a fact.

 

No. That's what you choose to read into the sentence. The sentence, as stated, speaks for itself.

The sentence is strucured to clearly state that.

In your opinion.

In your opinion.

 

It's a fact. The sentence says what it says. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's a fact.  The sentence says what it says.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It is your opinion that it was clearly stated. That was my point. It was unclear to me.

It is your opinion that it was clearly stated.  That was my point.  It was unclear to me.

What are you doing?

As much as I love to argue semantics and whether or not you truly believe that liberals kill babies - which I'm sure that you don't by the way - it frankly bores me and I'd like to counteract the perception that you have that liberals believe in abortion.

 

I guess liberals believe in abortion in as much as there is a procedure named abortion and that it happens on occasion. But I think liberals believe that abortion isn't a political issue. I think liberals believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and that the consequences she faces are her own, and not society's. I think that liberals believe that the question of when life begins is a complicated one and can't be summed up by all the Supreme Courts and Congresses put together, because its an issue that affects people deeply and personally. And I think liberals have different feelings on the issue and although most of them may think that an abortion option should be kept safe and legal, I think that this doesn't describe every bleedin heart out there. Because I think liberals think freely. Of course I think that conservatives think freely.

 

Of course reading posts in this forum would cause you to think otherwise...

What are you doing? 

 

I don't know what he is doing, but I know what he's not doing. He's not reading what's written.

As much as I love to argue semantics and whether or not you truly believe that liberals kill babies - which I'm sure that you don't by the way - it frankly bores me and I'd like to counteract the perception that you have that liberals believe in abortion.

 

I guess liberals believe in abortion in as much as there is a procedure named abortion and that it happens on occasion. But I think liberals believe that abortion isn't a political issue. I think liberals believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and that the consequences she faces are her own, and not society's. I think that liberals believe that the question of when life begins is a complicated one and can't be summed up by all the Supreme Courts and Congresses put together, because its an issue that affects people deeply and personally. And I think liberals have different feelings on the issue and although most of them may think that an abortion option should be kept safe and legal, I think that this doesn't describe every bleedin heart out there. Because I think liberals think freely. Of course I think that conservatives think freely.

 

Of course reading posts in this forum would cause you to think otherwise...

 

On occasion? :headshake

 

As for the rest of it ... Call it what you want to, there are still babies being killed and most of them are being killed for the purposes of contraception.

As much as I love to argue semantics and whether or not you truly believe that liberals kill babies - which I'm sure that you don't by the way - it frankly bores me and I'd like to counteract the perception that you have that liberals believe in abortion.

 

I guess liberals believe in abortion in as much as there is a procedure named abortion and that it happens on occasion. But I think liberals believe that abortion isn't a political issue. I think liberals believe that a woman has a right to choose what happens to her body and that the consequences she faces are her own, and not society's. I think that liberals believe that the question of when life begins is a complicated one and can't be summed up by all the Supreme Courts and Congresses put together, because its an issue that affects people deeply and personally. And I think liberals have different feelings on the issue and although most of them may think that an abortion option should be kept safe and legal, I think that this doesn't describe every bleedin heart out there. Because I think liberals think freely. Of course I think that conservatives think freely.

 

Of course reading posts in this forum would cause you to think otherwise...

 

Then why do they fight so hard against parental / spousal notification and doctor's offering alternatives?

I don't know what he is doing, but I know what he's not doing.  He's not reading what's written.

Is that a fact or a belief?

Edited January 11, 200620 yr by vandy125

Is that a fact or a belief?

 

I believe it's a fact.

I need some advice. Where can I buy something for a 3 week old fetus? None of the stores seem to have that size.

I believe it's a fact.

Is that a fact or a belief?

:headshake

I need some advice.  Where can I buy something for a 3 week old fetus?  None of the stores seem to have that size.

 

Dude ... lose a child to miscarriage and see how you feel about it. I know many people that have agonized about that circumstance as much as anyone that has lost a child that has been born. And, I have lost a child, so I know what I'm talking about.

Unfortunately? You want a Godless America?  No wonder the liberals are dragging this country right down the s***ter.

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I would love one, since there is no god.. If there is please show me proof..

 

One must ask the simple question

 

Did God create man, or did man create god to give their lives meaning?

 

personally I see the lader..

Edited January 11, 200620 yr by AnthraxFan93

I would love one, since there is no god.. If there is please show me proof..

 

One must ask the simple question

 

Did God create man, or did man create god to give their lives meaning?

 

personally I see the later..

Amen

I would love one, since there is no god.. If there is please show me proof..

 

One must ask the simple question

 

Did God create man, or did man create god to give their lives meaning?

 

personally I see the lader..

 

As is your right.