so seriously, as of right now, if the sox could trade their team for the cubs team straight up, would u do it?

 

i mean, the sox have no hitting, but they have to go up, considering u cant go much further down.

but the cubs have lee and ramirez, and also marquis and hill. what does everyone think...?

Cubs have more talent than the Sox this year....of course, that's what happens when you spend 300 million in an offseason.

Cubs have more talent than the Sox this year....of course, that's what happens when you spend 300 million in an offseason.

 

I highly disagree. The Cubs rotation and bullpen would get roasted in the American League. Their defense is nothing to be proud of either. Lee, Ramirez and Soranio is good, but I'd take the White Sox as a whole over the Cubs. Especially when Thome comes back and/if Konerko and Dye heat up. A hot 3/4/5 of Thome, Konerko and Dye is as good as anyone in the league.

I wouldn't take the Cubs team if it was composed of the NL Allstar Team

Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox:

 

 

Derosa over Iguchi

Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko

Zambrano over Contreras

Rich Hill Over Vazquez

Aram over Crede

Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik

Felix Pie over Erstad

 

 

 

every other position is too close to call or favors the sox.

Cubs have more talent than the Sox

 

yea right.

 

we'll see, we'll see.

 

SIG BET, FATHOM, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS.

 

Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox:

Derosa over Iguchi

Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko

Zambrano over Contreras

Rich Hill Over Vazquez

Aram over Crede

Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik

Felix Pie over Erstad

every other position is too close to call or favors the sox.

 

SIG BET, RANGERCAL, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS.

 

 

pm me for details, fellows.

Edited May 15, 200718 yr by mr_genius

yea right.

 

we'll see, we'll see.

 

SIG BET, FATHOM, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS.

SIG BET, RANGERCAL, CROSSTOWN. I TAKE THE SOX, YOU TAKE THE CUBS.

pm me for details, fellows.

I would never bet against the sox. Besides, I fully expect the sox to take 2/3 from the scrubs

Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox:

Derosa over Iguchi

Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko

Zambrano over Contreras

Rich Hill Over Vazquez

Aram over Crede

Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik

Felix Pie over Erstad

every other position is too close to call or favors the sox.

 

Soriano over Pods obviously...

Pie over Erstad maybe...Pie still might just be a fluke.

 

the rest? no way. you can't judge current struggles with substituting a player entirely...if you were GM we'd have a new team every 2 weeks.

 

EDIT: Zambrano over Count possibly, just for the sake of age

Edited May 15, 200718 yr by Maverick0984

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 15, 2007 -> 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I would never bet against the sox. Besides, I fully expect the sox to take 2/3 from the scrubs

 

2/3? easy there. the cubs have lilly, marquis, and zambrano going, while we will have buehrle, vazquez, and danks (possibly not sure). but even if so, right now for a 3 game series, except maybe contreras, garland, and buehrle, i wouldnt take the sox top 3 pitchers to win or sweep a series over the cubs top 3 (zambrano, marquis, and hill)

so seriously, as of right now, if the sox could trade their team for the cubs team straight up, would u do it?

 

i mean, the sox have no hitting, but they have to go up, considering u cant go much further down.

but the cubs have lee and ramirez, and also marquis and hill. what does everyone think...?

 

This is the stupidist thread I have ever read. I'll take a team under .500 in the NL and see what they can do in the AL. What sense would that make?

 

Jason Marquis is magically a real good pitcher now? Come on. You end up with Dempster, Howry and Eyre. You think our bullpen is bad. How about that outfield defense. Pie is not even in the majors. He is Brian Anderson with some speed AND STRIKES OUT MORE! WTF is wrong with some poeple. The Mets defense tried to give them the game.

 

Ya I'll take the under .500 team from the worst division in baseball and see if they can have a better record than the team that is winning in the best division in baseball. Come on.

Edited May 15, 200718 yr by Jenks Heat

Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox:

Derosa over Iguchi

Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko

Zambrano over Contreras

Rich Hill Over Vazquez

Aram over Crede

Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik

Felix Pie over Erstad

every other position is too close to call or favors the sox.

I wouldn't want Zambrano or Aram no matter how talented they are.

Edited May 15, 200718 yr by Controlled Chaos

Which coaching staff do you get? Walker could work some magic with that Cubs lineup . . .

Players on the Cubs That I would not mind having On the Sox:

Derosa over Iguchi

Derek Lee at 1b Over Konerko

Zambrano over Contreras

Rich Hill Over Vazquez

Aram over Crede

Alfonso Soriano at LF over podsednik

Felix Pie over Erstad

every other position is too close to call or favors the sox.

Derosa over Iguchi? His name is spelled T-h-e-r-i-o-t.

the rest? no way. you can't judge current struggles with substituting a player entirely...if you were GM we'd have a new team every 2 weeks.

 

EDIT: Zambrano over Count possibly, just for the sake of age

 

So you say you can't judge players based on current struggles, but you still would possibly take Zambrano over Contreras? Wouldn't Zambrano be the most talented pitcher for either team if you don't consider his recent struggles?

 

I wouldn't want Zambrano or Aram no matter how talented they are.

 

Ramirez is better than Crede in just about every category besides defense, and even there, he's really not nearly as bad as some people think. I'd take Erstad over Pie though, but Pie's not their CF. The Cubs bench is far superior to the White Sox's bench this year.

Soriano over Pods obviously...

Pie over Erstad maybe...Pie still might just be a fluke.

 

the rest? no way. you can't judge current struggles with substituting a player entirely...if you were GM we'd have a new team every 2 weeks.

 

EDIT: Zambrano over Count possibly, just for the sake of age

The rest no way??? Anyone who'd take Paulie over D Lee is on crack or needs to put the kool aid down.

2/3? easy there. the cubs have lilly, marquis, and zambrano going, while we will have buehrle, vazquez, and danks (possibly not sure). but even if so, right now for a 3 game series, except maybe contreras, garland, and buehrle, i wouldnt take the sox top 3 pitchers to win or sweep a series over the cubs top 3 (zambrano, marquis, and hill)

 

Danks - Wins 1, Losses 4, IP 35.1, H 35, ER 17, HR 6, BB 11, K 28, ERA 4.33, WHIP 1.30, BAA .254

Zambrano - Wins 3, Losses 3, IP 46.1, H 50, ER 30, HR 10, BB 24, K 35, ERA 5.83, WHIP 1.60, BAA .278

 

Buehrle - Wins 2, Losses 1, IP 42.1, H 35, ER 17, HR 6, BB 11, K 32, ERA 3.61, WHIP 1.09, BAA .226

Marquis - Wins 5, Losses 1, IP 52.2, H 35, ER 13, HR 3, BB 16, K 25, ERA 2.22, WHIP 0.97, BAA .183

 

Vazquez - Wins 2, Losses 2, IP 44.1, H 37, ER 19, HR 4, BB 14, K 36, ERA 3.86, WHIP 1.15, BAA .228

Lilly - Wins 3, Losses 2, IP 53.1, H 40, ER 15, HR 2, BB 8, K 48, ERA 2.53, WHIP 0.90, BAA .207

 

The numbers are not too far away between the pitchers that are going. I did not match up who was going against who in the series, but if you factor in AL vs NL hitting as well as the bullpens (Sox winner!), I would think that the pitching is better for the Sox.

I did not match up who was going against who in the series, but if you factor in AL vs NL hitting as well as the bullpens (Sox winner!), I would think that the pitching is better for the Sox.

Did you forget that the Cubs will be facing the worst hitting team in baseball?

The rest no way??? Anyone who'd take Paulie over D Lee is on crack or needs to put the kool aid down.

 

That's what I was thinking.

Ramirez is better than Crede in just about every category besides defense, and even there, he's really not nearly as bad as some people think. I'd take Erstad over Pie though, but Pie's not their CF. The Cubs bench is far superior to the White Sox's bench this year.

 

He's not better than him in attitude. I'd have a real hard time cheering for someone like Ramirez.

I highly disagree. The Cubs rotation and bullpen would get roasted in the American League. Their defense is nothing to be proud of either.

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Other than maybe 3 teams the offenses in the 2 leagues are about the same. I think people are overrating the AL offensive prowess. People make it seem like the NL offenses are AA quality when compared to the AL.

Edited May 15, 200718 yr by BigSqwert

That whole DH thing tends to skew offensive production. It's just easier to face 8 hitters in the NL than it is to face 9 in the AL. Ask Ted Lilly about that one.

That whole DH thing tends to skew offensive production. It's just easier to face 8 hitters in the NL than it is to face 9 in the AL. Ask Ted Lilly about that one.

Is there a way to compare both leagues' 1-8 hitters to make a more accurate comparison? If so, I would be surprised to see a big disparity in offensive numbers.

Is there a way to compare both leagues' 1-8 hitters to make a more accurate comparison? If so, I would be surprised to see a big disparity in offensive numbers.

That's tough to do since those 1-8 in the National League get to face NL pitching and the hitters in the AL get to face American League pitching the numbers aren't really the best way to compare potency. Since the two leagues only play eachother for a few series each year it's tough to get a real idea of the offensive/pitching capabilities of both leagues.

 

The one thing you can look at is the one guaranteed automatic out you have when pitching to an NL lineup, a luxury you don't get in the AL.

The one thing you can look at is the one guaranteed automatic out you have when pitching to an NL lineup, a luxury you don't get in the AL.

Or the 6 automatic outs you have when facing the Sox. Oh man that was low.