Hideaway Lights Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 was Frank Thomas a good signing for the Blue Jays this year? Is he giving them enough production from the DH slot? .258 AVG 19 HR 21 2B 73 RBI 66 BB 50 R .822 OPS what do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Rhetorical, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 12:34 PM) Rhetorical, right? No, I honestly feel it's borderline. If he gets on one last hot tear and rattles off 10 homers to close the year and ends with a .270 average it'll be a good year, but if he stays at .255-.260 and doesn't get much more pop it'll be a real disappointment. Obviously the days of him hitting anything over .275 are far behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 5.56 mil a year for those stats isn't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(knightni @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 10:39 AM) 5.56 mil a year for those stats isn't bad. What contract are you reading? Frank Thomas and the Toronto Blue Jays finalized an $18.12 million, two-year contract Friday. The Blue Jays reached a tentative deal with the 38-year-old designated hitter Wednesday night and spent Thursday working on drafting an agreement. Thomas gets a $9.12 million signing bonus that is payable in January, a $1 million salary next year and $8 million in 2008. The deal includes a $10 million vesting option for 2009 that would become guaranteed if Thomas has 1,000 plate appearances in the next two seasons or 525 plate appearances in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 1 mil salary + 4.56 signing bonus (9.12 split over two years) = 5.56 mil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 So then you're counting him as a $12.56 million player next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 12:47 PM) So then you're counting him as a $12.56 million player next year? I'm not counting him as anything. I don't know how to figure the salary, personally. The 5.56 number comes from espn's player page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) 1 mil salary + 4.56 signing bonus (9.12 split over two years) = 5.56 mil Thomas got the full $9.12M signing bonus in January of '07. You have to look at it as either $10.12M this year or $1M, there is no middle ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Considering he is 9th place in walks is telling you the pitch selection he is getting, EVEN in the twilight of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 05:49 PM) I don't know how to figure the salary, personally. What's 18 million divided by two? I can't find my calculator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hideaway Lights Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 01:57 PM) What's 18 million divided by two? I can't find my calculator. It's not that simple. His official salary listed this year is 1 million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 07:13 PM) It's not that simple. His official salary listed this year is 1 million dollars. Yeah, but for all intents and purposes, he's costing the Toronto Blue Jays organization 9 million per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Before some else brings up Thome, I will. lol AVG .264 | HR 20 | RBI 63 | OBP .413 | SLG .502 Sal 15 mil not sure what he's costing the sox though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(rangercal @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 03:32 PM) Before some else brings up Thome, I will. lol AVG .264 | HR 20 | RBI 63 | OBP .413 | SLG .502 Sal 15 mil not sure what he's costing the sox though. Somewhere around $11 million I believe. Edit, just checked Kalapses salary sheet. He is making $14MM a year and Philly is paying $5.5 Edited August 20, 2007 by SoxFanForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 His slugging is way down. More importantly, he's been awful against right handers: .236/.349/.398/.747 He has more than three times as many atbats against right handers than left handers so I would say that's not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 Its about in line with what is expected of Thomas anymore. He isn't going to be putting up the sexy batting averages anymore, but he will hit some homers, and take some walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 QUOTE(rangercal @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 03:32 PM) Before some else brings up Thome, I will. lol AVG .264 | HR 20 | RBI 63 | OBP .413 | SLG .502 Sal 15 mil not sure what he's costing the sox though. $8.5M a year for a .915 OPS? I'll take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 04:24 PM) His slugging is way down. More importantly, he's been awful against right handers: .236/.349/.398/.747 He has more than three times as many atbats against right handers than left handers so I would say that's not very good. Not sure where you're getting those numbers from. When I look at ESPN, he's batting an awesome .300/.463/.591/1.054 against righties. Basically twice as many at bats against righties as lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 QUOTE(Vance Law @ Aug 21, 2007 -> 05:47 PM) Not sure where you're getting those numbers from. When I look at ESPN, he's batting an awesome .300/.463/.591/1.054 against righties. Basically twice as many at bats against righties as lefties. dunno what you are looking at, but against righties he is batting .236/.348/.399/.747 in 313 at bats. Against lefties he is batting .330/.436/.637/1.073 in 91 at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 21, 2007 Share Posted August 21, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 08:08 PM) $8.5M a year for a .915 OPS? I'll take it. You can justify it if he were a free agent pickup I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 We he'e 2 for 3 with with 2 homers and 2 RBI's tonight. Batting average up to .260 right now. It seems like when he gets one, he gets another one in the same game, then will go for a while without one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosox41 Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Aug 20, 2007 -> 02:13 PM) It's not that simple. His official salary listed this year is 1 million dollars. So then the Blue Jays paid Frank a $9 million signing bonus to take the winter off in 2007. Don't let a signing bonus misguide you in his average contract. The money is accounted for somwhere. Let's say the Sox signed A-Rod to a 5 year contract and game him $125 million as a signing bonus in 2008 and $5 mill per year for the next 5. Would he really be considered underpaid by you when compared to other SS's since he's getting $5 mill. per year. Would you say KW is a genius for signing A-Rod for Uribe money? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 QUOTE(rangercal @ Aug 21, 2007 -> 06:51 PM) You can justify it if he were a free agent pickup I suppose. I'm not trying to justify anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 22, 2007 Share Posted August 22, 2007 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 21, 2007 -> 11:10 PM) I'm not trying to justify anything. you pretty much showed how you feel when you said " I'll take it." I just could not agree, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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