November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 02:30 PM) Please inform me. I'm not going to write an essay trying to clarify what I believe someone else believes. If Kalapse wants to do that, he'll do it himself. I don't think he's saying MacD is an outstanding pressure reliever based on 30 abs or so, but that's his deal. I'll stick to what I'm thinking.
November 30, 200718 yr In other news, Rick Hahn was on the Score a few hrs. ago with Mulligan and Hanley. Among his thoughts: - happy they got O. Cabrera and Linbrink, both were targeted. - foresees another addition to the bullpen, they are focusing more on strikethrowers vs. the Sisco types - not shocked to miss out on Hunter but surprised he went to LAA - when asked specifically about Fukudome, says he didn't want to converse about specific names but stated they have done a lot of scouting in the Far East - they are looking hard to upgrade the OF - optimistic something will happen this week but there are ebbs and flows of these meetings, optimism turns to pessimism and back to optimism again - Anderson has been rehabbing from a sternum injury which he picked up rehabbing the wrist. They will know in a week or so whether he'll go to winter ball. Sox want him to, Anderson also wants to go. - By all accounts Crede is progressing nicely in his rehab
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 01:41 PM) I'll stick to what I'm thinking. I'm sort of confused as to that as well. Are you saying that 3 seasons of splits for a middle or short reliever is insufficient to decide how they perform in those scenarios? If that is the case, how would you make that determination then? If you were looking at whether to sign, keep or trade a MacDougal, a Linebrink, a Riske or a Thornton, would you not be curious how a setup or 7th/8th inning type guy does in critical situations (runners on, late innings, close score)?
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) Good stuff. With the recent rumors about Fuk and Bay, I am excited for the meetings. When do the meetings start and end?
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 01:52 PM) Good stuff. With the recent rumors about Fuk and Bay, I am excited for the meetings. I want Fukudome in LF and Crisp in CF.
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 02:44 PM) I'm sort of confused as to that as well. Are you saying that 3 seasons of splits for a middle or short reliever is insufficient to decide how they perform in those scenarios? If that is the case, how would you make that determination then? If you were looking at whether to sign, keep or trade a MacDougal, a Linebrink, a Riske or a Thornton, would you not be curious how a setup or 7th/8th inning type guy does in critical situations (runners on, late innings, close score)? Yeah, that's basically what I'd say. I wouldn't make a determination -- at least, I'd admit that any such judgement is very likely to be wrong. I'm very, very, very sceptical about clutchness in general. And I'd add that, first, you MUST compare to league averages (or use some sort of normalization) when using these stats. They are meaningless otherwise. And that, second, I'm not sure that clutch pitchers are clearly more desirable. Between two pitchers who put up similar headline numbers, is it good to have a guy who's getting in trouble more often, then is somewhat better at getting out of it? If clutchness exists, it seems the ideal bullpen would be composed of unclutch and clutch pitchers alike. The unclutch pitchers throw in low pressure situations. Then in the relatively rare situations when they get in trouble, you bring in the clutch pitcher. The best of both worlds.
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) Monday-Wednesday? I know for a fact they start Monday, just not sure when they end. November 20 - NL Most Valuable Player Award announced December 1 - Last day for teams to offer salary arbitration to their former players who became free agents. December 3 - Hall of Fame Veterans Committee voting announced December 3-6 - Baseball Winter Meetings - Nashville, Tennessee December 6 - Major League Rule V Draft - Nashville, Tennessee December 7 - Last day for free agents offered salary arbitration to accept the offers. December 12 - Last day for teams to offer 2008 contracts to unsigned players. Edited November 30, 200718 yr by qwerty
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 01:42 PM) In other news, Rick Hahn was on the Score a few hrs. ago with Mulligan and Hanley. Among his thoughts: - happy they got O. Cabrera and Linbrink, both were targeted. - foresees another addition to the bullpen, they are focusing more on strikethrowers vs. the Sisco types - not shocked to miss out on Hunter but surprised he went to LAA - when asked specifically about Fukudome, says he didn't want to converse about specific names but stated they have done a lot of scouting in the Far East - they are looking hard to upgrade the OF - optimistic something will happen this week but there are ebbs and flows of these meetings, optimism turns to pessimism and back to optimism again - Anderson has been rehabbing from a sternum injury which he picked up rehabbing the wrist. They will know in a week or so whether he'll go to winter ball. Sox want him to, Anderson also wants to go. - By all accounts Crede is progressing nicely in his rehab Nice info, but were any Aaron Rowand questions asked? I'd be curious what their reaction would be, as that might be telling of what is really going on there, especially with all of the conflicting info that is out there right now.
November 30, 200718 yr Nice info, but were any Aaron Rowand questions asked? I'd be curious what their reaction would be, as that might be telling of what is really going on there, especially with all of the conflicting info that is out there right now. They did touch upon Rowand and Hahn answered in a general way, which is his forte. He basically said they are looking hard to upgrade the OF.
November 30, 200718 yr QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2007 -> 02:35 PM) No flatout denial means he is still being looked at in some respect. I'm sure every CF option is being looked at in some respect; even Jerry Owens, Ryan Sweeney, and Brian Anderson.
November 30, 200718 yr Going from being the closer on a bad team, to being the primary set up guy on a team expected to compete for the World Series. ummm, MacD pitched pretty damn well for the 2006 World Series Contending White Sox team He was awful with the rancid 2007 White Sox team.
November 30, 200718 yr By the way, back on Riske (sorry for the MacDougal hijack), he actually does a little better in those scenarios. Here are his 3 year splits in those same stats... Low pressure... None on: .236/.286 Leading off an inning: .255/.294 High pressure... Runners on: .216/.297 Scoring position: .214/.319 Funny, I thought Riske sucked in pressure-filled situations. Looks pretty similar, and more importantly, effective to me.
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