Not everyone cares about those, but also not everyone's goals are to trash other peoples property or cause bodily harm to other people. Drinking is a norm in college whether you are part of an organization or not, being greek does not cause someone to become a bad person, in fact I would argue it does the opposite.

 

very well said.

 

There are some problems, and from talking to adults that are still involved in several Sororities and Fraternities, it has been a long time project to push chapters to focus more on what makes a "good person" and, just a hint, the stupid adults don't think it's providing an opportunity to get drunk all the time.

 

Sadly, the tone is set when instead of requiring many hours of community service when you pledge, the challenge is how much humiliation and alcohol you can withstand. Perhaps the most significant change to the great name of Greek society would be if people saw pledges spending hours painting a homeless shelter or investing time in area schools helping to mentor kids. Instead we see and hear a far different experience.

 

But just imagine if you went to your fraternity brothers and suggested instead of drinking with the pledges, cleaning a local park would allow you to better judge the character of your potential brothers.

 

Values? You decide.

I believe that frat-guys are like these colorado morons as much as I(the White Sox fan) am like William Ligue Jr. There are bad apples in every bunch, and bad stereotypes that those bad apples uphold and reinforce.

What did White Sox fans do to improve their names?

 

You hit the nail on the head. One bad apple doesn't mean all members of a similar group have to taken action to improve themselves.

 

Perhaps frats can improve themselves by finally allowing atheists, agnostics, and homosexuals to join their group. Oh wait, that's something the boy scouts should consider to improve themselves.

95% of frats ive seen at many different schools dont care about the philanthropy events, usually philanthropy is mandated by the school and the frat puts forth a minimal effort for those events....thats not to say that those people in here aren't part of the 5% that do care

 

95% of college students don't care about philanthropy. People in the Greek System are routinely criticized for the same activities (drunkenness, stupid behavior, etc.) that occur everywhere on campus with athletes, theater majors, or any other group you can think of. I'm not saying that those in the Greek system are saints that only live to help people, but I find the typical arguments about the Greek system amusing considering most college students, Greek or not, tend to have the same value system.

And it's not like the drinking in the greek system is a dirty little secret, there is an open dialogue constantly among how to end the drinking culture, including a system called GAMMA which educates about alcohol.

 

Just last night was the finals for RAMS (rockin against multiple sclerosis) which raised thousands for MS.

 

I think where people get fired up when questioned how to end the stereotype comes from the treatment of the greek system from the University. Here at Mizzou, despite a strong and active greek system, the school treats us like they just have to 'tolerate' us. And we feel used. We set up the entire campus for them for homecoming, decorate the town, the steering committee is pretty much all greek. Yet, when an incident happens the school uses it to drop the hammer. And they pick in choose when to include us as part of the campus, for certain rules, we are on campus. For snow removal, we are off campus. Greeks comprise of so much of the student organizations, have better GPAs, thousands of hours of community service, hundreds of thousands dollars donated to charity, and the treatment isn't embracing us, but just tolerating the system.

 

And per your suggestion, Tex, most fraternities require, well, mine and many at mizzou, require you to join some # of student orgs, and they have to raise a set amt. of money for our philanthropy.

frats are dumb.

frats are dumb.

 

 

farts are not.

frats are dumb.

 

I love well thought out statements

What did White Sox fans do to improve their names?

 

You hit the nail on the head. One bad apple doesn't mean all members of a similar group have to taken action to improve themselves.

 

Perhaps frats can improve themselves by finally allowing atheists, agnostics, and homosexuals to join their group. Oh wait, that's something the boy scouts should consider to improve themselves.

 

And we do. Our Learning for Life programs, our Soccer and Scouting Program. Our Venturing Programs. Explorer Posts. Sea Scouts, and Air Scouts are all open to the groups you mention. So you are free to join.