Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 03:22 PM) Lets not kid ourselves, NATO member or not, we would not risk nuclear war to save Gori. And if that's the case, then the proposed NATO expansion is a mistake. If Article 5 means nothing then NATO means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 If the US was smart, they would be fast tracking NATO membership for Ukraine about right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 10:55 PM) If the US was smart, they would be fast tracking NATO membership for Ukraine about right now. Good call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 11:55 PM) If the US was smart, they would be fast tracking NATO membership for Ukraine about right now. ahhhh astute point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 12, 2008 -> 09:55 PM) If the US was smart, they would be fast tracking NATO membership for Ukraine about right now. I'll ask the same question...why is some event in the Ukraine or some restive minority along the Ukraine/Russian border worth a full scale war between the U.S. and the Russians? We've seen political instability in that country as recently as 3 years ago, in no small part driven by Russia and a large minority of the people in that country that are pro-Russian. Before bringing that nation in to NATO I want to know why they're worth having me fighting and dying for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 02:05 PM) I'll ask the same question...why is some event in the Ukraine or some restive minority along the Ukraine/Russian border worth a full scale war between the U.S. and the Russians? We've seen political instability in that country as recently as 3 years ago, in no small part driven by Russia and a large minority of the people in that country that are pro-Russian. Before bringing that nation in to NATO I want to know why they're worth having me fighting and dying for them. Why don't we all just become socialist or even better, communist forms of government, and all become robots, no freedoms, etc. Yes, Balta, this is another one of those Kaperbole posts that are over the top, but at the same time, isn't defending freedom of choices rather then government autocracy worth anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 11:14 AM) Why don't we all just become socialist or even better, communist forms of government, and all become robots, no freedoms, etc. Yes, Balta, this is another one of those Kaperbole posts that are over the top, but at the same time, isn't defending freedom of choices rather then government autocracy worth anything? Of course it is....but we've heard the argument again and again that the U.S. can't be the world's policeman. We've gotten ourselves stuck in 2 wars already, we've blown a couple trillion dollars in wealth on them...how many nations do we have to use our army to protect their fragile democracies, and how do we choose which ones are the important ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 13, 2008 Author Share Posted August 13, 2008 The President of Georgia is clearly listening to the statements coming from Senator McCain and is asking the Senator to live up to his statements publically. Thoughts? Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili on Wednesday called for John McCain and other American leaders to do more for Georgia in their response to the conflict in his country. “Yesterday, I heard Sen. McCain say, ‘We are all Georgians now,’” Saakashvili said on CNN’s American Morning. “Well, very nice, you know, very cheering for us to hear that, but OK, it’s time to pass from this. From words to deeds.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 (edited) There isn't any oil there (in the Ukraine) so I am suprised that the Democrats aren't chomping at the bit to get us involved. Edited August 13, 2008 by Alpha Dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 13, 2008 Share Posted August 13, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 04:59 PM) The President of Georgia is clearly listening to the statements coming from Senator McCain and is asking the Senator to live up to his statements publically. Thoughts? Last i checked, McCain cant send troops. McCain isnt an official diplomat (although he is sending he own people to Georgia to evaluate the situation.... presumptuous much???). McCain cant produce sanctions on Russia. Much like any other person who is running for president who isnt already the president, the most McCain can offer is his words as to what he would do IF he was president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 13, 2008 -> 06:50 PM) Last i checked, McCain cant send troops. McCain isnt an official diplomat (although he is sending he own people to Georgia to evaluate the situation.... presumptuous much???). McCain cant produce sanctions on Russia. Much like any other person who is running for president who isnt already the president, the most McCain can offer is his words as to what he would do IF he was president. Well, for whatever it's worth, McCain does sit on the Armed Services Committee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted August 15, 2008 Share Posted August 15, 2008 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle4535173.ece Russians were told over breakfast yesterday what really happened in Georgia: the conflict in South Ossetia was part of a plot by Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, to stop Barak Obama being elected president of the United States. of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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