Aren't u glad we didn't do the Ordonez for junior deal.

it is a shame to see a guy with such potential end up like this

 

i used to love to watch junior play baseball

Junior was the man. I remember back in the days my friends and I would always argue who was better...Griffey or Frank. I'd always take Frank, the others would typically choose Griffey.

Griffey was no doubt the best player on earth during his Mariner days...It's really, really sad what's happened to him...Kinda like Grant Hill in basketball...

Griffey was no doubt the best player on earth during his Mariner days...It's really,  really sad what's happened to him...Kinda like Grant Hill in basketball...

exactly

exactly

He was amazing and he loved playing the game. Frank was incredible too.

Of course Frank was amazing. But Griffey was just as dominant with the glove as he was with the bat. He had good speed as well...that's the difference...

He was amazing and he loved playing the game.  Frank was incredible too.

yup... i remember no one seemed to have more fun playing baseball.

 

man, i got a boxload of his rookie cards.

Of course Frank was amazing.  But Griffey was just as dominant with the glove as he was with the bat.  He had good speed as well...that's the difference...

Yep, he could do it all. For a while people thought he'd be the greatest ever. It really is too bad what happened to him in Cinncy. The guy demanded to get traded home, signed for a discount and things just never worked out. I hope somehow he can get healthy and at least knock out 500 homers.

 

Damn was he fun to watch.

 

Speaking of fun to watch and injuries, I'll always wonder what would of been if Bo Jackson never got injured playing football. My goodness was that guy amazing. Speed, Power, Size. He could of went down as the best running back ever and one of the best baseball players ever.

 

BO KNOWS...

I don't even like to talk about Bo Jackson....It's too sad....

I don't even like to talk about Bo Jackson....It's too sad....

I remember when he played for the Sox, I kept hoping he would find a way to make it back and still be able to play baseball.

Wow, this guy has just been snakebit since moving to the NL.

Ken and Grant Hill need to take up golf. Baseball hasn't been very good to them.

I've gotta say that Griffey is the most likely guy to have been on steroids that I can think of. He's ALWAYS injured, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't that one of the things that steroids does to your body? Make it more injury-prone? You look at this guy 5 years ago, and he was in great physical shape. Not an ounce of fat, could run like the wind, jump like nobody else in the league...and yet he's always hurt? That just doesn't make sense. And it's not just 1 thing like it is with Grant Hill and his foot/ankle. Griffey has had problems with his shoulder, his knee, and now his ankle. Something just doesn't add up IMO.

 

Edit...and now that I look at his stats, I'm convinced that's what he did. Look at this. In his first 4 years (his 1st wasn't quite a full season, but he had 500 plate appearances so it's close enough), he hit 16, 22, 22, and 27 HR, respectively. That comes out to just under 22 per season. Then, over the next 7 full seasons (excluding 1995 where he only played in 72 games due to injury), he hit 45, 40, 49, 56, 56, 48, and 40. That's an average of nearly 48 a season. That's more or less what Sammy Sosa did in terms of monster increases, and everyone here thinks he's on the juice, so the same would have to hold true to Griffey. The only difference between the 2 players is that Sosa is almost never hurt.

 

If I am correct in saying that he's suffering the effects of steroid use, it's sad -- he had talent, and didn't need to f*** it up like that.

Would tearing a tendon - which is such a freak thing anyway - be construded as a side effect of roids..?

Would tearing a tendon - which is such a freak thing anyway - be construded as a side effect of roids..?

I'm not a doctor, so I really don't know if steroids could cause something like that...but I've always heard and thought that using steroids weakened your body to some extent and made it more prone to injury.

I've gotta say that Griffey is the most likely guy to have been on steroids that I can think of.  He's ALWAYS injured, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't that one of the things that steroids does to your body?  Make it more injury-prone?  You look at this guy 5 years ago, and he was in great physical shape.  Not an ounce of fat, could run like the wind, jump like nobody else in the league...and yet he's always hurt?  That just doesn't make sense.  And it's not just 1 thing like it is with Grant Hill and his foot/ankle.  Griffey has had problems with his shoulder, his knee, and now his ankle.  Something just doesn't add up IMO.

 

Edit...and now that I look at his stats, I'm convinced that's what he did.  Look at this.  In his first 4 years (his 1st wasn't quite a full season, but he had 500 plate appearances so it's close enough), he hit 16, 22, 22, and 27 HR, respectively.  That comes out to just under 22 per season.  Then, over the next 7 full seasons (excluding 1995 where he only played in 72 games due to injury), he hit 45, 40, 49, 56, 56, 48, and 40.  That's an average of nearly 48 a season.  That's more or less what Sammy Sosa did in terms of monster increases, and everyone here thinks he's on the juice, so the same would have to hold true to Griffey.  The only difference between the 2 players is that Sosa is almost never hurt.

 

If I am correct in saying that he's suffering the effects of steroid use, it's sad -- he had talent, and didn't need to f*** it up like that.

I don't buy that at all. Griffey's injuries were not only freakish, but as a general rule could be attributed to some specific happening.

 

I am not an expert on steroids, but I don't see Griffey as being someone on them. I think the guy has just had an incredible run of bad luck. It does happen.

Would tearing a tendon - which is such a freak thing anyway - be construded as a side effect of roids..?

Actually it is very symptomatic. The muscles have huge growth, while things like tendons ligaments and the like don't grow, and have huge stress put on them and those are usually things that give way.

cluger and steff, it is indeed sad what has happened to griff's career as he continues to sustain injury after injury... i too loved watching him play and cursed him as well when he would beat us on a consistant basis with some amazing hit or catch.. but as far as the steroid issue i was involved in bodybuilding for about 15 years, took several rounds of them myself the only way they might/will effect injuries of this nature is if you attempt to do too much because you feel that you are able to do so... but it alone does not make you more susceptible to injuries alone... hope he can get things righted in time to salvage what was once one of the greatest.. living in central ky, i go to see the reds every now and then and this makes me feel sorry for their fans as well

cluger and steff,  it is indeed sad what has happened to griff's career as he continues to sustain injury after injury...  i too loved watching him play and cursed him as well when he would beat us on a consistant basis with some amazing hit or catch.. but as far as the steroid issue  i was involved in bodybuilding for about 15 years, took several rounds of them myself  the only way they might/will effect injuries of this nature is if you attempt to do too much because you feel that you are able to do so... but it alone does not make you more susceptible to injuries alone... hope he can get things righted in time to salvage what was once one of the greatest.. living in central ky, i go to see the reds every now and then  and this makes me feel sorry for their fans as well

Hmmmm.. kay.

 

 

Thanks for the info.

For those who want to compare Ken Griffey Jr to Frank Thomas (offensively, of course -- defensively there isn't much debate who is the superior player), just look at the stats. Griffey has played in more games than Frank (by about 120, so nearly a full season) and had over 300 more plate appearances, and the only category that Griffey leads Frank in by any big amount is the HR category (481 to 396).

 

Frank has him in career average (.311 to .294).

 

Frank has him in career OBP (.431 to .379).

 

Frank has him in "walks minus strikeouts" (321 to -316) <----- yes, that's a "-", as in NEGATIVE

 

Their RBI, runs, and SLG are all very close though.

 

So if you're talking strictly offense, Frank is the better player.

I've gotta say that Griffey is the most likely guy to have been on steroids that I can think of.  He's ALWAYS injured, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't that one of the things that steroids does to your body?  Make it more injury-prone?  You look at this guy 5 years ago, and he was in great physical shape.  Not an ounce of fat, could run like the wind, jump like nobody else in the league...and yet he's always hurt?  That just doesn't make sense.  And it's not just 1 thing like it is with Grant Hill and his foot/ankle.  Griffey has had problems with his shoulder, his knee, and now his ankle.  Something just doesn't add up IMO.

 

Edit...and now that I look at his stats, I'm convinced that's what he did.  Look at this.  In his first 4 years (his 1st wasn't quite a full season, but he had 500 plate appearances so it's close enough), he hit 16, 22, 22, and 27 HR, respectively.  That comes out to just under 22 per season.  Then, over the next 7 full seasons (excluding 1995 where he only played in 72 games due to injury), he hit 45, 40, 49, 56, 56, 48, and 40.  That's an average of nearly 48 a season.  That's more or less what Sammy Sosa did in terms of monster increases, and everyone here thinks he's on the juice, so the same would have to hold true to Griffey.  The only difference between the 2 players is that Sosa is almost never hurt.

 

If I am correct in saying that he's suffering the effects of steroid use, it's sad -- he had talent, and didn't need to f*** it up like that.

I don't buy that at all. Griffey's injuries were not only freakish, but as a general rule could be attributed to some specific happening.

 

I am not an expert on steroids, but I don't see Griffey as being someone on them. I think the guy has just had an incredible run of bad luck. It does happen.

How do you explain the sudden increase in his power numbers?

but as far as the steroid issue  i was involved in bodybuilding for about 15 years, took several rounds of them myself  the only way they might/will effect injuries of this nature is if you attempt to do too much because you feel that you are able to do so... but it alone does not make you more susceptible to injuries alone... hope he can get things righted in time to salvage what was once one of the greatest.. living in central ky, i go to see the reds every now and then  and this makes me feel sorry for their fans as well

But see, you used them for bodybuilding. I haven't watched much bodybuilding on ESPN2 lately, but the last time I saw it, they weren't running after flyballs or trying to leg out a double. So for weight lifting, I can see how steroids would not cause more injuries. But, I don't think that applies to sports like baseball where the body as a whole is put through MUCH more stress and movement.

What sudden increase in power numbers? Griffey has had power since he was in High School.

I've gotta say that Griffey is the most likely guy to have been on steroids that I can think of.  He's ALWAYS injured, and if I'm not mistaken, isn't that one of the things that steroids does to your body?  Make it more injury-prone?  You look at this guy 5 years ago, and he was in great physical shape.  Not an ounce of fat, could run like the wind, jump like nobody else in the league...and yet he's always hurt?  That just doesn't make sense.  And it's not just 1 thing like it is with Grant Hill and his foot/ankle.  Griffey has had problems with his shoulder, his knee, and now his ankle.  Something just doesn't add up IMO.  

 

Edit...and now that I look at his stats, I'm convinced that's what he did.  Look at this.  In his first 4 years (his 1st wasn't quite a full season, but he had 500 plate appearances so it's close enough), he hit 16, 22, 22, and 27 HR, respectively.  That comes out to just under 22 per season.  Then, over the next 7 full seasons (excluding 1995 where he only played in 72 games due to injury), he hit 45, 40, 49, 56, 56, 48, and 40.  That's an average of nearly 48 a season.  That's more or less what Sammy Sosa did in terms of monster increases, and everyone here thinks he's on the juice, so the same would have to hold true to Griffey.  The only difference between the 2 players is that Sosa is almost never hurt.

 

If I am correct in saying that he's suffering the effects of steroid use, it's sad -- he had talent, and didn't need to f*** it up like that.

I don't buy that at all. Griffey's injuries were not only freakish, but as a general rule could be attributed to some specific happening.

 

I am not an expert on steroids, but I don't see Griffey as being someone on them. I think the guy has just had an incredible run of bad luck. It does happen.

How do you explain the sudden increase in his power numbers?

The guy was the #1 pick overall in the draft, its not like he was Brady Anderson coming out of no where. There were huge expectations of him.