Since we all know I'm bigtime into keeping Mark Buehrle around with the Sox for the long term, I'm interested what everyone thinks about the prospect of the Sox being able to keep him long term despite the setbacks that occured this past offseason.

 

Anyone with any inside type knowledge or a good insight, lemme know what you think. I'd like to think we can keep Buehrle long term, but so far it certainly doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

IMO the chance is zero as long as the current regime is in charge. They have offered him tons of money and he has blown them off. After '06 he is gone.

I'd say right now its around 50% that he'll stay. Offer him a fair deal and I think he'll sign it.

I'd say right now its around 50% that he'll stay.  Offer him a fair deal and I think he'll sign it.

Wasn't the deal they offered him in the off-season fair?

Everyone knows that Mark Buehrle wants nothing more than to play in St. Louis. If he is gonna play hardball with us and not sign because he wants to go to St. Louis no matter how much we offer him, than we might as well trade him while we can get something for him. Whether it be prospects or a current player. I'd have to say, Jim Edmonds would look mighty nice in centerfield!

Everyone knows that Mark Buehrle wants nothing more than to play in St. Louis.  If he is gonna play hardball with us and not sign because he wants to go to St. Louis no matter how much we offer him, than we might as well trade him while we can get something for him.  Whether it be prospects or a current player.  I'd have to say, Jim Edmonds would look mighty nice in centerfield! 

Perhaps trading him in the 2006 season would make sense if we can't sign him, but right now we've still got him for at least 3 more full seasons.

Perhaps trading him in the 2006 season would make sense if we can't sign him, but right now we've still got him for at least 3 more full seasons.

Unless he really starts talking about St Louis (like saying "I can't wait to get out of here and play for the Cards" or something outrageous like that, I agree completely. Of course, if someone offered us something that we couldn't resist, we'd have to do it.

Since we all know I'm bigtime into keeping Mark Buehrle around with the Sox for the long term, I'm interested what everyone thinks about the prospect of the Sox being able to keep him long term despite the setbacks that occured this past offseason.

 

Anyone with any inside type knowledge or a good insight, lemme know what you think.  I'd like to think we can keep Buehrle long term, but so far it certainly doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

abozichiu, I have a question after reading your MB sig at the bottom of your posts...the Sox drafted Mark when he was 10 years old? "Born 1979....drafted 1989".

Since we all know I'm bigtime into keeping Mark Buehrle around with the Sox for the long term, I'm interested what everyone thinks about the prospect of the Sox being able to keep him long term despite the setbacks that occured this past offseason.

 

Anyone with any inside type knowledge or a good insight, lemme know what you think.  I'd like to think we can keep Buehrle long term, but so far it certainly doesn't seem like that's going to happen.

abozichiu, I have a question after reading your MB sig at the bottom of your posts...the Sox drafted Mark when he was 10 years old? "Born 1979....drafted 1989".

I've noticed it too, it's an error on his player profile on Yahoo!, which is where that profile is taken from.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to have Buehrle in the rotation until 2010 if we could. I have just noticed that he takes every opportunity when talking to the media to bring up something about the Cardinals. When we were beating up on the Cubs he said, "It's always good to be the Cubs, but it is especially nice when it helps the Cardinals." I just don't want an unhappy cancer in the clubhouse bringing this team down. We all remember what Jaime Navarro did to the mentality of this team.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to have Buehrle in the rotation until 2010 if we could.  I have just noticed that he takes every opportunity when talking to the media to bring up something about the Cardinals.  When we were beating up on the Cubs he said, "It's always good to be the Cubs, but it is especially nice when it helps the Cardinals."  I just don't want an unhappy cancer in the clubhouse bringing this team down.  We all remember what Jaime Navarro did to the mentality of this team.

I don't think it's a cancer, he was just a fan of the Cardinals growing up and still roots for them. There's nothing wrong with that unless we're playing the Cards. However, saying he wants to go to the Cards is a whole different story...

Everyone knows that Mark Buehrle wants nothing more than to play in St. Louis.  If he is gonna play hardball with us and not sign because he wants to go to St. Louis no matter how much we offer him, than we might as well trade him while we can get something for him.  Whether it be prospects or a current player.  I'd have to say, Jim Edmonds would look mighty nice in centerfield! 

why trade him to stl? why not to another team and let them deal with the signabiltity .

When we were beating up on the Cubs he said, "It's always good to be the Cubs, but it is especially nice when it helps the Cardinals."

He said that?

 

Is he completely clueless or is he just trying extra hard to appear to be?

Everyone knows that Mark Buehrle wants nothing more than to play in St. Louis.

Everyone does not know that, not at all.

 

People who have been here a while know that some of us know MB and/or the Buehrle family, and the contract that MB, KW, and Hahn agreed to, and then JR messed with, has been discussed here to death in the past. Look into some threads after Sox Fest and before spring training.

 

If JR had not chaged the contract that MB, KW, and Hahn agreed to, he'd be signed now. He will stay with us forever if we ever offer him that or a similar contract again. Our problem is not JR, what was finally offered MB was not fair, not what MB, KW, and Hahn agreed to, and stems from - I guess here - JR's phobia about pitchers on long term contracts.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to have Buehrle in the rotation until 2010 if we could.  I have just noticed that he takes every opportunity when talking to the media to bring up something about the Cardinals.  When we were beating up on the Cubs he said, "It's always good to be the Cubs, but it is especially nice when it helps the Cardinals."  I just don't want an unhappy cancer in the clubhouse bringing this team down.  We all remember what Jaime Navarro did to the mentality of this team.

I disagree with you strongly on MB in the clubhouse, very much do I disagree with you.

 

I haven't seen that MB quote - please provide the link.

I disagree with you strongly on MB in the clubhouse, very much do I disagree with you.

 

I haven't seen that MB quote - please provide the link.

He said something to the effect of the Cubs losing was good for the Cardinals and that he still roots for the Cardinals to win. I don't recall exactly when it was said but it seems like it was a month or so ago. People make way too much out of that stuff, if you ask me.

I obviously don't know as much about the past contract talks and whom did what to make the contract fall through, as you do. However I do know that he does want to play in St. Louis. Whether he is using these quotes as a bargaining chip I don't know. Either way it is completely inappropriate. I love having Mark Buehrle on this team as much as anyone and I don't want to see this contract issue have Mark Buehrle's name dragged through the mud of Chicago's media. All I know is his actions don't express the kind of team spirit that I expect from a Chicago White Sox. This is a class organization!

Something has to give with this team's payroll.

 

With MAGGLIO quickly becoming the best baseball player in Chicago, I think JR is going to have to come up with a Sosa like deal to extend Maggs for another 5 yrs for 70MIL. Right now Frank is more productive & costs less than Koney so I see Koney being moved. This team is never at a loss for 1B/DH types.

 

Lee seems like a sure bet to get an extension. Probably a 16/3 deal.

Koch will probably be moved to get out of the 6MIL.

 

Colon breaks for FA with several others, so I will just say 10MIL/yr locked up in ace.

 

Is there any $$$ left for Buehrle? Not unless there's a major surge in rev.

Perhaps trading him in the 2006 season would make sense if we can't sign him, but right now we've still got him for at least 3 more full seasons.

and what make you thiink that teams would take a chance on him when they might suspect that he will jump at the end of his contract to play elsewhere.

 

you trade him before 2006 to get the most out of him.

and what make you thiink that teams would take a chance on him when they might suspect that he will jump at the end of his contract to play elsewhere.

 

you trade him before 2006 to get the most out of him.

Someone in a pennant race will take him, trust me. And the return won't be bad either.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than to have Buehrle in the rotation until 2010 if we could.  I have just noticed that he takes every opportunity when talking to the media to bring up something about the Cardinals.  When we were beating up on the Cubs he said, "It's always good to be the Cubs, but it is especially nice when it helps the Cardinals."  I just don't want an unhappy cancer in the clubhouse bringing this team down.  We all remember what Jaime Navarro did to the mentality of this team.

Do not even begin in any way to compare Mark Buehrle to Jamie Navarro. I can't believe I even read that.

This is a class organization!

you forgot to use green on that one, big time.

 

From the way we treated Fisk to the way Cameron found about his trade to the way we handled MB and so many more cases in between, the Sox organization has been pure class, all the way.

you forgot to use green on that one, big time.

 

From the way we treated Fisk to the way Cameron found about his trade to the way we handled MB and so many more cases in between, the Sox organization has been pure class, all the way.

I was going to let that one slide, but I agree with you. The White Sox has been far from a class oprganization since JR took over.

While it is nice idle chatter to worry about 2007 may I offer a perspective based on 30+ years following this team?

 

Please don't care about 2005. Win this year. I would rather mark go 10-2 the rest of the season than sign him for 2010.