July 31, 200322 yr July 31st KC gets: Al Levine Tampa Bay gets: cash Cincinatti gets: Brandon Claussen and Charlie Manning NY Yankees get: Aaron Boone Yankees get: Gabe White Reds get: PTBNL Giants get: Sidney Ponson Orioles get: Kurt Ainsworth and Damian Moss and a minor leaguer. Dodgers get: Robin Ventura Yankees get: Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor. Boston gets: Jeff Suppan, Brandon Lyon and Anastacio Martinez Pittsburgh gets: Freddy Sanchez, Mike Gonzalez and cash July 30th Oakland gets: Jose Guillen Cincinnati gets: Aaron Harang, Jeff Bruksch and Joe Valentine Chicago Cubs get: Doug Glanville Texas gets: Jason Fransz and cash July 29th Sox get: Scott Schoeneweis and Doug Nickle Anaheim gets: Gary Glover, Scott Dunn and Tim Bittner Seattle gets: Rey Sanchez New York Mets get: Kenny Kelly Cincinnati gets: Chris Michalak Colorado gets: PTBNL Cincinnati gets: Phil Dumatrait, a PTBNL and cash Boston gets: Scott Williamson Houston gets: Dan Miceli New York Yankees get: a PTBNL or cash considerations. Arizona gets: Raul Mondesi and cash New York Yankees get: David Dellucci,Bret Prinz and Jon-Mark Sprowl July 28th Kansas City gets: Graeme Lloyd New York Mets get: Jeremy Hill July 24th Texas gets: Frankie Francisco, Josh Rupe and Anthony Webster Chicago White Sox get: Completion of Everett Deal July 22nd Pittsburgh gets: Brandon Lyon and Anastacio Martinez Boston gets: Scott Sauerbeck and Mike Gonzalez Pittsburgh gets: Jose Hernandez, Matt Bruback and a PTBNL Chicago Cubs get: Kenny Lofton and Armais Ramirez New York Yankees get: Jesse Orosco San Diego gets: a PTBNL or cash considerations
July 31, 200322 yr Especially if Ventura heads to the Dodgers. Think the Yanks get a guy better then Rockin Robin and they'll add like 6.5 mill (counting whatever cash they sent over) and then they'll deal Robin, probably pick up part of his salary but still save quite a bit of money. Got to give Cashman credit on this one.
July 31, 200322 yr Especially if Ventura heads to the Dodgers. Think the Yanks get a guy better then Rockin Robin and they'll add like 6.5 mill (counting whatever cash they sent over) and then they'll deal Robin, probably pick up part of his salary but still save quite a bit of money. Got to give Cashman credit on this one. Ya they dealt Robin to LA
July 31, 200322 yr Basically, the Yanks are only adding $1 million after the trades. Boone's and White's salary's combined are about what Ventura's is, but the Dodgers are picking up all of Ventura's contract, so all the Yanks are adding is the $1 million they sent to the Reds.
July 31, 200322 yr That turns into a real good deal by the Yanks. Also a solid move by the Dodgers although I don't know why they gave up two guys. Either way Ventura automatically has the 2nd highest OBP on the Dodgers now. I'm guessing Rockin Robin will play first.
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July 31, 200322 yr Giants get: Sidney Ponson Orioles get: Kurt Ainsworth and Damian Moss and a minor leaguer. Baltimore definitely got the best of that one...
July 31, 200322 yr Giants get: Sidney Ponson Orioles get: Kurt Ainsworth and Damian Moss and a minor leaguer. Baltimore definitely got the best of that one... Nah no way. Its a pretty good deal for both teams. Ponson is young, and has potential to be a VERY good pitcher. Also, he may just give the Giants what they need to win it all this season.
July 31, 200322 yr Giants get: Sidney Ponson Orioles get: Kurt Ainsworth and Damian Moss and a minor leaguer. Baltimore definitely got the best of that one... Nah no way. Its a pretty good deal for both teams. Ponson is young, and has potential to be a VERY good pitcher. Also, he may just give the Giants what they need to win it all this season. Sounds like Ponson will walk after this year. Baltimore gets three stud arms, they definately ripped off the Giants.
July 31, 200322 yr Giants get: Sidney Ponson Orioles get: Kurt Ainsworth and Damian Moss and a minor leaguer. Baltimore definitely got the best of that one... Nah no way. Its a pretty good deal for both teams. Ponson is young, and has potential to be a VERY good pitcher. Also, he may just give the Giants what they need to win it all this season. Sounds like Ponson will walk after this year. Baltimore gets three stud arms, they definately ripped off the Giants. Those pitchers are far from studs. Topside of average pitchers with all 3. Ponson is the only stud in the bunch, and he was added to one of the best teams in baseball. The giants made a very wise trade.
July 31, 200322 yr Long term winner is Baltimore. Short term winner is SF... If Ponson signs there is nothing wrong with the deal. I don't want him to sign though.
August 1, 200322 yr I have to agree with Bmr here. If the Giants win it all, and Ponson is a big contributor to it, I don't care if Ainsworth, Moss, and Hannaman become the best 1-2-3 combo since Oakland. The Gaints win, plain and simple. So soon do we forget that George Bell has still won more division crowns with the White Sox then SamME So-So has with the Cubs.
August 1, 200322 yr Whos Hannaman? The third guy Baltimore got? Is he any good? Hannaman is a very good prospect. He was in A ball this year. Here's a report on Hannaman: 5. Ryan Hannaman - SP - DOB: 8/28/81 - ETA: 2005/2006 Notes: Every organization wishes they had a pitching prospect like Ryan Hannaman. Hannaman is a 6' 3", 200 pound projectable lefty with good stuff. He's improved every year and is off to a hot start in High A-San Jose. The 21-year old has 65 strikeouts in 46 2/3 innings. Hannaman has struggled with his command. He'll need to harness control of his pitches before he makes it to the majors. Still, so far so good for Hannaman. He has top of the rotation potential.
August 1, 200322 yr I think the Giants really paid a steep price for Ponson. Consider that they traded away Russ Ortiz for Damian Moss, then they trade Moss and two more quality arms for Ponson. Hmmmm, has Kenny Williams been spotted in San Francisco lately?
August 1, 200322 yr You've heard all about the Billy Beanes and Brian Cashmans of the world. Brian Sabean really doesnt get the props he deserves. This guy put together a WS team last year and their system is still packed with great prospects.
August 1, 200322 yr I think the Giants really paid a steep price for Ponson. Consider that they traded away Russ Ortiz for Damian Moss, then they trade Moss and two more quality arms for Ponson. Hmmmm, has Kenny Williams been spotted in San Francisco lately? They were trying to get rid of Russ Ortiz. We just about had Ortiz, before we got Colon. It seems money was a factor; Ortiz makes $4.6+ million, while Moss makes $1.5+ million, and is 3 years younger. Moss wasn't awful for the Giants, you just need to give something up to get a pitcher the quality of Ponson. Ponson is seen as a high quality number two in the rotation pitcher. Moss would not have had as big of a role with the team, especially in the playoffs, as Ponson will.
August 1, 200322 yr I don't see it as a lopsided deal either. To me Moss is no better than a #4 starter (#3 tops) and while the other two may be good prospects, the Giants already have Williams and Foppert. Remember when the Sox had a ton of guys "ready" for the big leagues? Obviously it doesn't always work out for you, but the Giants feel those two will be very good. They don't have room for 3 or 4 young guys to all be in the rotation at the same time, so they part with a couple. By doing that they get a guy that everyone on this board wanted for the Sox. A guy who most people think has a good chance to put SF over the top. Hell yeah I do this trade if I am Sabean. I go deep into the playoffs again and possibly win th WS. Then, I go to Ponson and say "let's get a deal done. You belong in SF". If I sign him then it is the best trade I ever made. If I don't, then I took a shot at winning the WS and shouldn't be faulted.
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