Rand Paul giving his victory speech

Wisconsin Senate Exit Polls

Feingold (D) - 49.5%

Johnson ® - 50%

Colorado Senate Exit Polls

Bennet (D) - 49.5%

Buck ® - 47%

Are these exit polls an average, or just from one source?

Are these exit polls an average, or just from one source?

I think all of the news services use a single service or a combination. If memory serves me right, MSNBC and CNN always have the same numbers.

If Wisconsin is that close itll be interesitng to see how Dane County (madison) votes. They have pretty liberal voting rules so they basically get all of the college students to vote which can push the election Democratic potentially.

So, let me get this right, here's the narrative being given to me by the TV networks...

Voters think government is broken, it's not getting anything done, so the best way to fix this is switching control of the house to the republicans who will infuse MORE conflict by completely opposing anything Obama wants to do.

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So, let me get this right, here's the narrative being given to me by the TV networks...

Voters think government is broken, it's not getting anything done, so the best way to fix this is switching control of the house to the republicans who will infuse MORE conflict by completely opposing anything Obama wants to do.

 

Just don't listen to pundits. It's too complicated to be explained in like the minute each gets to explain things.

Just don't listen to pundits. It's too complicated to be explained in like the minute each gets to explain things.

Oh I know. I just find it funny.

Oh I know. I just find it funny.

 

That being said, Americans do think government is broken, and they're absolutely right. Of course what happens tonight won't do anything to solve it.

That being said, Americans do think government is broken, and they're absolutely right. Of course what happens tonight won't do anything to solve it.

Exactly. I have no idea on how to fix it either.

Exactly. I have no idea on how to fix it either.

 

First two ideas. Get money out of politics. Make Presidency stronger (ie line item veto).

First two ideas. Get money out of politics. Make Presidency stronger (ie line item veto).

I 100% support line item veto... and a balanced budget amendment.

definitely need to at least make a legit attempt to get the bribe money out of politics. it's totally out of control.

Well, so far things are looking good for Dayton. Keeping my fingers crossed because Emmer is just icky.

 

Hoping Oberstar can keep his seat also.

 

And for Illinois politics, I hope Foster can keep his seat.

No way to line item veto, thats giving to much power to president.

 

The problem is that people cant come to reasonable solutions anymore, the US has just outgrown the original idea of the federal govt. What makes sense for Chicago, IL may not even make sense for Carbondale, let alone a state that has absolutely no similarities to us.

 

The only solution is to give a lot of power back to the states, and let the states decide on most issues, with the federal govt making sure that no state goes to far. If Kansas wants to let a mule marry a donkey, what ever. If Alaska wants to let people own bazookas, I dont really care. If California wants to legalize lsd, go for it.

 

I am a Federalist at heart and I believe in a strong federal government. But this s*** is just to f***ed up. There is no way we can get the whole United States to agree on all of these issues, without a common enemy or unifying idea we are divided, no one is going to give in or compromise, even if it is the best for all of us. I may not think Republicans or Democrats are smart or good or whatever, but I certainly can tell you that I wouldnt want be on a ship that had 2 different captains, with each captain completely changing course every 2 weeks. Id rather have the s***ty captain who at least heads one direction, most things really just dont matter in the end, but we need some sort of direction. Otherwise we are going to look back 50 years from now and wonder how the US went from a super power to China's b****.

 

Sorry for the rant, I hate elections.

No way to line item veto, thats giving to much power to president.

 

The problem is that people cant come to reasonable solutions anymore, the US has just outgrown the original idea of the federal govt. What makes sense for Chicago, IL may not even make sense for Carbondale, let alone a state that has absolutely no similarities to us.

 

The only solution is to give a lot of power back to the states, and let the states decide on most issues, with the federal govt making sure that no state goes to far. If Kansas wants to let a mule marry a donkey, what ever. If Alaska wants to let people own bazookas, I dont really care. If California wants to legalize lsd, go for it.

 

I am a Federalist at heart and I believe in a strong federal government. But this s*** is just to f***ed up. There is no way we can get the whole United States to agree on all of these issues, without a common enemy or unifying idea we are divided, no one is going to give in or compromise, even if it is the best for all of us. I may not think Republicans or Democrats are smart or good or whatever, but I certainly can tell you that I wouldnt want be on a ship that had 2 different captains, with each captain completely changing course every 2 weeks. Id rather have the s***ty captain who at least heads one direction, most things really just dont matter in the end, but we need some sort of direction. Otherwise we are going to look back 50 years from now and wonder how the US went from a super power to China's b****.

 

Sorry for the rant, I hate elections.

 

I hear you. I don't think the President needs power to decide on social issues for all the states. But the Presidency needs more power in budgeting and other financial issues. Not enough people in House/Senate/White House are all able to do political unpopular stuff all at once. It's easier if the President has more power I think.

 

It changes the nature of the legislation.

 

Now if you want to maybe say that President has line item veto on budget only and then that 1 item could be over ridden by 2/3 vote of House and Senate, I could potentially be persuaded.

 

But even cutting a single word can alter how a law is written or interpreted. For every word there is in the Constitution, there is probably 1,000 words of legal precedence discussing exactly what it meant. You cant let a President change the intention of the law.

Gentlemen, could you please start a new thread for this discussion?

 

Gracias.

If I had to guess id say Quinn is Governor and Kirk is Senator.

 

Down to 90k lead for Alexi and 70% of Cook County reporting. He really needs to boost that up because most of the slow reporting counties are going heavy Republican.

NV Senate Exit Poll

Reid (D) - 47.5

Angle ® - 46.5

PA Senate Exit Polls

Sestak (D) - 49.6

Toomey ® - 50.4

PA Senate Exit Polls

Sestak (D) - 49.6

Toomey ® - 50.4

 

FOX seems worried that Toomey is going to lose.

 

78% reporting

 

51.7 Sestek

48.3 Toomey

Kirk- Alexi is going to be a razor thin margin. From what I can tell Alexi may hold on by a few thousand votes. It looks like the suburbs have caught up with Cook County and some of the biggest Democrat strongholds are still at less than 80% reporting. Its going to be super close and a chance that Alexi gets the unexpired term while Kirk gets the regular seat.

It changes the nature of the legislation.

 

Now if you want to maybe say that President has line item veto on budget only and then that 1 item could be over ridden by 2/3 vote of House and Senate, I could potentially be persuaded.

 

But even cutting a single word can alter how a law is written or interpreted. For every word there is in the Constitution, there is probably 1,000 words of legal precedence discussing exactly what it meant. You cant let a President change the intention of the law.

 

 

Interesting thoughts - and yea, would be a good thread offshoot.