hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) If you look at Peavy's career stats he's no #54. Note to Kenny-no more $$$ on NL talent. Are you serious? Peavy easily bests Mark Buehrle on paper. Good god, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 03:07 PM) Are you serious? Peavy easily bests Mark Buehrle on paper. Good god, man. What paper did you check? Wall paper? http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/buehrma01.shtml http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/peavyja01.shtml I was speaking from a career reference. Defintely not from a shoulda kept Buehrle. Time to stop drinking that Peavy Kool-aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 01:33 PM) It's amazing how many big name players the Sox have added and still can't quite shake the hex of not making the playoffs. Good moves to bring in Myers, Youk and Liriano and even immediately fill a need for a week with Wise instead of going with some minor league hack of ours. KW has done all he can do, really. Now it's up to the players to close it out with a good 3.5 weeks or give up. Liriano is not big name. Sox will get 3 1/2, 4 star players (in my book) or past their prime. They pass on a Pujols, Fielder type player. Which is OK since the Sox have bad luck with those guys. I think the last time they made a big time splash was getting the great hitter from Cleveland to protect Frank and that didn't work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 10:42 PM) I was speaking from a career reference. No kidding. FIP Jake Peavy: 3.49 Mark Buehrle: 4.14 WHIP Jake Peavy: 1.18 Mark Buehrle: 1.28 K/9 Jake Peavy: 8.75 Mark Buehrle: 5.09 K-to-BB Jake Peavy: 3.17 Mark Buehrle: 2.50 BAA Jake Peavy: .234 Mark Buehrle: .273 Peavy was looking like a hall of famer before he got injured. Nobody would ever mistake Mark Buehrle for an HOF caliber pitcher. Not even his own mother. The wallpaper comment was very clever, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:45 PM) No kidding. FIP Jake Peavy: 3.49 Mark Buehrle: 4.14 WHIP Jake Peavy: 1.18 Mark Buehrle: 1.28 K/9 Jake Peavy: 8.75 Mark Buehrle: 5.09 K-to-BB Jake Peavy: 3.17 Mark Buehrle: 2.50 BAA Jake Peavy: .234 Mark Buehrle: .273 Peavy was looking like a hall of famer before he got injured. Nobody would ever mistake Mark Buehrle for an HOF caliber pitcher. Not even his own mother. The wallpaper comment was very clever, by the way. To be fair, Jake has spent a large portion of his career in an inferior league in a ballpark tailor-made for pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:47 PM) To be fair, Jake has spent a large portion of his career in an inferior league in a ballpark tailor-made for pitchers. To be fair, Jake Peavy turns into a quivering pile of Javy Vazquez when it's a big game. (12.10 career postseason ERA. .849 OPS against vs. the Tigers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 11:47 PM) To be fair, Jake has spent a large portion of his career in an inferior league in a ballpark tailor-made for pitchers. True, but it's still fairly obvious that he's the superior pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:47 PM) To be fair, Jake has spent a large portion of his career on the DL. Fixed. #54 No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 11:54 PM) To be fair, Jake Peavy turns into a quivering pile of Javy Vazquez when it's a big game. (12.10 career postseason ERA. .849 OPS against vs. the Tigers) That's 2 career starts in the playoffs. You might have a little sample size issue with that. Plenty of good pitchers get pounded by the Tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:54 PM) To be fair, Jake Peavy turns into a quivering pile of Javy Vazquez when it's a big game. (12.10 career postseason ERA. .849 OPS against vs. the Tigers) You didn't even have to cherry pick that one. Oooooooooooovaaaaaaaa rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 lol. I don't get the Peavy hate. He's sucked nuts against the Tigers. But without him, we're nowhere near first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) That's 2 career starts in the playoffs. You might have a little sample size issue with that. Plenty of good pitchers get pounded by the Tigers. Didn't Friday night convince you enough? The most winnable game of the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 4, 2012 -> 12:02 AM) Didn't Friday night convince you enough? The most winnable game of the series. Yeah, I was convinced that Peavy is no Mark Buehrle because of the one game. I'm still waiting for you to say something that actually makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:06 PM) Yeah, I was convinced that Peavy is no Mark Buehrle because of the one game. I'm still waiting for you to say something that actually makes sense. Literacy can works wonders. I'll see if I can find a reading specialist for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 4, 2012 -> 12:09 AM) Literacy can works wonders. I'll see if I can find a reading specialist for you. Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:11 PM) Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? No. From the beginning it's based on contract value vs. return. Guy's are not valuable on the DL. Innings and appearance are just as important. Mark B was good at that. I hate to use him as an example because it would confuse some in thinking we should have kept him. Plus Peavy's good years he didn't have to face a DH. Even with this season it's a bad contract and he's not worth even half of his option for next year. He seems to fall in line with the other veterans on this team and fail in important situations. I don't think he's beaten the Tigers this season. He's failed to live up to the hype. Sports are full of great performers until it's crunch time. (See Mike Vanderjagt). Some people become household names because of post season performance. (See Bucky Dent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 None of that has anything to do with your original point. You're killing me, dude. You said that Peavy is no Buehrle based on their career stats, when in fact, Peavy waxes Buehrle pretty badly in significant categories like K/9, K-to-BB, WHIP, etc. When you're striking out a ton of folks and issuing very few walks, it doesn't really matter where you pitch, correct? You can't support your original statement, because it's ludicrous. If you really tried, it would be laughable. You'd probably even have the nerve to mention W/L records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? other exhibits July 20 vs. Tigers Oct. 1, 2007 while Padres were just 1 game back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 3, 2012 Share Posted September 3, 2012 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 11:48 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2688839:date=Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM:name=hammerhead johnson)-->QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) <!--quotec-->Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? other exhibits July 20 vs. Tigers Oct. 1, 2007 while Padres were just 1 game back You're telling me that Peavy strikes you as the type of guy who gets rattled when the pressure is on, like a Greinke or Javy Vazquez? Not buying it. Everybody has bad games when the pressure is on. It's not like San Diego was a perennial playoff contender, so he didn't get much of an opportunity to do anything. And just consider for a minute that you're being exactly like those people who criticize Frank Thomas for not being able to hit in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) <!--quoteo(post=2688839:date=Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM:name=hammerhead johnson)-->QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) <!--quotec-->Sick burn, bro! So, the two playoff games from 2004/2005, plus the Friday game = Peavy is not a big game pitcher. So, the sample size went from 2 to 3. That's what you're banking on? other exhibits July 20 vs. Tigers Oct. 1, 2007 while Padres were just 1 game back Despite being a small sample size I wonder how much the organization even pays attention to stats like this. Remember the Mark Teahen deal? Only because he could beat the White Sox. They ignored that he was just really bad at baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) You're telling me that Peavy strikes you as the type of guy who gets rattled when the pressure is on, like a Greinke or Javy Vazquez? Not buying it. Everybody has bad games when the pressure is on. It's not like San Diego was a perennial playoff contender, so he didn't get much of an opportunity to do anything. And just consider for a minute that you're being exactly like those people who criticize Frank Thomas for not being able to hit in the playoffs. It seems that way. He's just another one of the Sox veterans that don't show up for a big game. Maybe I expect too much from a guy making $16M a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 05:48 PM) None of that has anything to do with your original point. You're killing me, dude. You said that Peavy is no Buehrle based on their career stats, when in fact, Peavy waxes Buehrle pretty badly in significant categories like K/9, K-to-BB, WHIP, etc. When you're striking out a ton of folks and issuing very few walks, it doesn't really matter where you pitch, correct? You can't support your original statement, because it's ludicrous. If you really tried, it would be laughable. You'd probably even have the nerve to mention W/L records. Appearances and innings. W/L are also important. Sometimes they tell more truth than people admit that you won't see in a stat book. A .500 pitcher with great stats on a bad team still turns out to be a .500 pitcher on a good team. Peavy's hyped hasn't rubbed off on the Sox. More like their mental midgetry has worn off on Peavy. Peavy=bad return on value. What more can I really say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 08:24 PM) Appearances and innings. W/L are also important. Sometimes they tell more truth than people admit that you won't see in a stat book. A .500 pitcher with great stats on a bad team still turns out to be a .500 pitcher on a good team. Peavy's hyped hasn't rubbed off on the Sox. More like their mental midgetry has worn off on Peavy. Peavy=bad return on value. What more can I really say. I never realized that being mentally weak could cause your shoulder to detach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 07:44 PM) I never realized that being mentally weak could cause your shoulder to detach. Really insignificant to that post. Did his shoulder detach this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 3, 2012 -> 08:51 PM) Really insignificant to that post. Did his shoulder detach this year? Does he have the same stuff he had pre-injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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