Not ignored. Not difference makers.the 3 combined for a 0.3 WAR in 2013. Bobby is Less talented of the Bundy boys.

 

Also ignored is that is one only one team. Another quick google search gives up Anthony Rizzo and Will Middlebrooks from the 2007 draft of the Red Sox. Another click gives up Joba Chamberlin and Ian Kennedy from the Yankees 2006 draft. Rick Porcello from the Tigers pops up in another search. Also popping up were Camerin Maybin and Andrew Miller... you know the duo used to get that Cabrera guy? Jeff Samardzija was an overslot guy. Rick Ankiel was an over slot guy. JD Drew was an over slot guy.

 

Got enough WARs yet?

Also ignored is that is one only one team. Another quick google search gives up Anthony Rizzo and Will Middlebrooks from the 2007 draft of the Red Sox. Another click gives up Joba Chamberlin and Ian Kennedy from the Yankees 2006 draft. Rick Porcello from the Tigers pops up in another search. Also popping up were Camerin Maybin and Andrew Miller... you know the duo used to get that Cabrera guy? Jeff Samardzija was an overslot guy. Rick Ankiel was an over slot guy. JD Drew was an over slot guy.

 

Got enough WARs yet?

And you do know why they might have signed above slot, they signed for less than the Sox gave guys like Honel and Broadway and McCollough, or maybe you don't. Samardzia got $250k.the White Sox couldn't recognize talent. It is truly amazing you can't understand that.

Edited February 11, 201412 yr by Dick Allen

And you do know why they might have signed above slot, they signed for less than the Sox gave guys like Honel and Broadway and McCollough, or maybe you don't. Samardzia got $250k.the White Sox couldn't recognize talent. It is truly amazing you can't understand that.

 

Ah, and there the change in argument is. You got names, so you moved on to the next non sequitor. The lazy mans argument at its finest.

Ah, and there the change in argument is. You got names, so you moved on to the next non sequitor. The lazy mans argument at its finest.

No change in the argument. You said the reason the Sox picked bad players was because of money. Then you mention players they could have signed that in reality cost less money than the bad players they did pick. I am done with you.

No change in the argument. You said the reason the Sox picked bad players was because of money. Then you mention players they could have signed that in reality cost less money than the bad players they did pick. I am done with you.

 

And you are just making stuff up now anyway.

 

Jeff Samardzija got a $2.5 million signing bonus, as a part of a 5 year $10 million contract when he signed, plus team options that put the contract out as much as $16.5 million, or damned close to what the Sox paid for ALL of their draft picks from 2007 to 2011.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736354

 

Great job making stuff up though. I'd walk away now too, if I got busted lying like that.

DA and SS2K, I think you two are arguing past each other.

 

I think both of your points are true. It’s not an either/or situation.

Yeah, clearly there were multiple items contributing towards our draft struggles (prior to recent years). First, refusing to go overslot and passing on all Boras clients. We passed on a lot of talent over the years because Reinsdorf refused to break the "rules" or work with the agent that f***ed him over on Bobby Seay & Jeff Weaver . Second, a sustained run of solid success prevented us from getting any top 10 picks for a long ass time (18 years to be exact). Those top picks have a much higher probability of working out (relatively speaking), which put us at a major disadvantage to begin with. Not going overslot only worsened the problem.

 

Third, our talent evaluation was incredibly poor an extended period. People can try to blame this on the lack of money, but here is the list of 1st round picks between Alex Fernandez (1990) and Chris Sale (2010), which represents a 19 year span:

 

2009 Jared Mitchell OF LSU 23

2008 Gordon Beckham SS Univ. of Georgia 8

2007 Aaron Poreda LHP San Francisco 25

2006 Kyle McCulloch RHP Texas 29

2005 Lance Broadway RHP TCU 15

2004 Josh Fields 3B Oklahoma State 18

2003 Brian Anderson OF U. of Arizona 15

2002 Roger Ring LHP San Diego State 18

2001 Kris Honel RHP Providence HS, New Lenox, 16

2000 Joe Borchard OF Camarillo, CA 12

1999 Jason Stumm RHP Centralia, WA 15

1999 Matt Ginter RHP Mississippi State U. 22

1998 Robert Wells RHP Baylor U. 16

1997 Jason Dellaero SS U of South Florida 15

1996 Bobby Seay LHP Sarasota, FL 12

1995 Jeff Liefer 3B Long Beach State U 25

1994 Mark Johnson C Warner Robbins, GA 26

1993 Scott Christman LHP Oregon State U 17

1992 Eddie Pearson 3B Bishop St JC 24

1991 Scott Ruffcorn RHP Baylor U 25

 

That list is absolutely pathetic. Doesn't matter how bad your player development is, you're bound to hit on a couple of your 1st round picks. I mean for f***'s sake, Kip Wells & Gordan Beckham were the best pitcher and position player we drafted in the 1st round during a 19 year period. That's almost impossible to believe.

 

This leads me to the final reason for our struggles which is poor draft philosophy. For a period of time under Duane Schafer, we were wasting high picks on "safe" college arms like Ring, Broadway, & McCulloch with the intention of possibly flipping them quickly to help the major league club. That was a terrible idea from the get-go, as these players offered limited upside and eventually all sucked and brought back very little in return. Then after this period of time, the Sox switched to targeting raw, toolsy guys like Jared Mitchell, Trayce Thompson, & Keenyn Walker that had impact player potential but extremely low floors. While this was somewhat of a step in the right direction, the White Sox front office failed to have a development staff in place that could actually turn these raw prospects into major leaguers. Not understanding the strengths and weaknesses of the organization or simply overlooking them contributed to this poor draft philosophy.

Spring Training can't get here soon enough.

I think any GM in Hahn's position would have dealt the players he did

 

I really don't think this could be further from the truth. Why didn't Terry Ryan deal Glen Perkins then?

And you are just making stuff up now anyway.

 

Jeff Samardzija got a $2.5 million signing bonus, as a part of a 5 year $10 million contract when he signed, plus team options that put the contract out as much as $16.5 million, or damned close to what the Sox paid for ALL of their draft picks from 2007 to 2011.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736354

 

Great job making stuff up though. I'd walk away now too, if I got busted lying like that.

 

Wasn't he drafted by the Cubs in 2006?