July 8, 201510 yr I noticed today that on ESPN's Park Factors, the Cell was dead last in hitter's park factors in 2015, basically making it the #1 pitcher's park in baseball. Is this a sign of how absolutely putrid this offense is? I'm no expert on this, so am I missing something? Here's a rank of the previous years. (above 1.0 favors hitters, below 1.0 favors pitchers) 2015 - .733 (30th) 2014 - 1.052 (7th) 2013 - .998 (14th) 2012 - 1.268 (2nd) 2011 - .991 (14th) edit: Here's the link http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 01:17 PM) Why would these change year to year? Because they base them on the amount of offense produced in a given park in a given season. It's The Cell dropping is 100% a function of the offense being awful and pitching being pretty good.
July 8, 201510 yr http://gosu02.tripod.com/id103.html That's super dated, and so it's probably a bit simplistic, but it gives a general idea. The tl;dr version: The runs per game at the Cell are compared to the runs in games which involve the Sox away from the Cell. So a bad offense and good pitching staff shouldn't really mess with the park factor because you're comparing it to the same bad offense and good pitching staff. Multiple years of data are used, with a weight towards more recent years. I'm guessing this fluky "4 runs or fewer at home" streak is responsible. So yes, the Sox' putrid offense is destroying not only their pitchers' W-L numbers, but also their WAR totals. Edited July 8, 201510 yr by shysocks
July 8, 201510 yr The raw totals for the Sox: Pitching: 3.02 runs per game allowed at home, 5.92 away Offense: 2.74 runs per game scored at home, 4.15 away TOTAL: 5.77 RPG at USCF, 10.08 RPG in Sox away games That grades out to an absurd park factor of 0.58 which is then balanced out a bit by previous years. Weird all around.
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:23 PM) Because they base them on the amount of offense produced in a given park in a given season. It's The Cell dropping is 100% a function of the offense being awful and pitching being pretty good. Right, but isn't this supposed to measure how much the settings of the park affect the hitter/pitcher, not the team within?
July 8, 201510 yr Author At the Cell: Sox runs/game: 3.11 Opponetns runs/game: 3.42 On the road: Sox runs/game: 3.67 Opponents runs/game: 5.23 While the Sox offense has sucked more at home on the road, it looks like the pitching/defense has been nearly two runs worse away from the Cell, and that's probably the biggest culprit. I wonder why that is.
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:43 PM) At the Cell: Sox runs/game: 3.11 Opponetns runs/game: 3.42 On the road: Sox runs/game: 3.67 Opponents runs/game: 5.23 While the Sox offense has sucked more at home on the road, it looks like the pitching/defense has been nearly two runs worse away from the Cell, and that's probably the biggest culprit. I wonder why that is. LittleHurt's numbers are correct, I made a mistake. Pay attention to this man.
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:11 PM) I noticed today that on ESPN's Park Factors, the Cell was dead last in hitter's park factors in 2015, basically making it the #1 pitcher's park in baseball. Is this a sign of how absolutely putrid this offense is? I'm no expert on this, so am I missing something? Here's a rank of the previous years. (above 1.0 favors hitters, below 1.0 favors pitchers) 2015 - .733 (30th) 2014 - 1.052 (7th) 2013 - .998 (14th) 2012 - 1.268 (2nd) 2011 - .991 (14th) edit: Here's the link http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor So they really aren't "park factors". They are team factors.
July 8, 201510 yr Author QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 02:49 PM) So they really aren't "park factors". They are team factors. From time to time, there are weird dips like this, but there is a reason why Coors Field is always at the top and AT&T Park is always at the bottom, and it doesn't have to do with the Giants or Rockies roster makeup.
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) I noticed today that on ESPN's Park Factors, the Cell was dead last in hitter's park factors in 2015, basically making it the #1 pitcher's park in baseball. Is this a sign of how absolutely putrid this offense is? I'm no expert on this, so am I missing something? Here's a rank of the previous years. (above 1.0 favors hitters, below 1.0 favors pitchers) 2015 - .733 (30th) 2014 - 1.052 (7th) 2013 - .998 (14th) 2012 - 1.268 (2nd) 2011 - .991 (14th) edit: Here's the link http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor Combo of Sox offense and our pitching staff (w/effects of small sample size and our pitching staff having some horrific road performances).
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) Combo of Sox offense and our pitching staff. The lack of true Summer weather probably has something to do with the ball not jumping out of the park too. I haven't looked up any data to back this up, but the offensive numbers at The Cell are typically more inflated in the summer months. Edited July 8, 201510 yr by ChrisLikesBaseball
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 04:10 PM) From time to time, there are weird dips like this, but there is a reason why Coors Field is always at the top and AT&T Park is always at the bottom, and it doesn't have to do with the Giants or Rockies roster makeup. So why can't we just put Coor's at the top and AT&T at the bottom permanently and not change them unless the dimensions of the park are changed?
July 8, 201510 yr QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 05:33 PM) So why can't we just put Coor's at the top and AT&T at the bottom permanently and not change them unless the dimensions of the park are changed? This is what I'm wondering. Wouldn't you then throw this year away from park adjustment factors? I feel like this makes it like a "TOP 30 BEST UNIVERSITIES" when they change every year with no real justification. The dimension sat the cell have not changed...who cares if they are bad this year?
July 8, 201510 yr This is the problem with trying to normalize numbers that do not have a linear relevancy.
July 8, 201510 yr I wonder if the colder than normal spring/summer in Chicago has anything to do with it. Coors field park effects changed when the Rockies started storing their baseballs in the humidor.
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