BainesHOF Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jan 6, 2009 -> 05:12 AM) If we were to post the "clutch" stats I'm sure those would just be dismissed as well, so I'll just ask the pro-Baines crowd, does Jim Rice deserve to be in the HOF? Yes, Rice should be in the Hall. I'm of the belief that the Baseball Hall of Fame shouldn't be super exclusive, nor as easy to get into as the Football Hall of Fame, which lets everyone in. I'd put Blyleven in, too. Absolutely no to Grace, a Punch-and-Judy hitter in a home-run ballpark. You mean he led the decade in hits? I'm happy for him. Dawson was much better than Grace, but I wouldn't put him in either. He excelled in too few years to be a Hall of Famer. Less you think I'm anti-Cubs (which I am), I'd put in Lee Smith. While doing so, I'd kick out overrated Sandburg, whose excellence fell at least a couple seasons short, in my opinion, to be worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baines3 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Harold Baines deserves to be in the HOF. He is my all time favorite White Sox player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Baines is not a HOF player: He led the league in SLG Pct in 1984 and that's the only statistical category he ever led the league. No batting titles. No 30 HR seasons. No Top 5 MVP's (only two top 10's). Statistically he's closest to Tony Perez, who is in the Hall. But Perez had seven 100 RBI seasons and four top 10 MVP's, and played on championship teams. It's arguable that he belongs. Baines is a Hall of Good player, but the Hall of Fame should be reserved for the very best of the best. That said, the Hall of Fame is filled with a lot of players that don't belong, and there are some that are out that DO belong. A lot of it is politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 He also managed to play well during the post season. He didn't show up in 1983. /runs but yes, his overall numbers are impressive. Would anyone here consider Garrett Anderson a HOF player if he has about 5 more of his typical seasons? Right now Baines is the 3rd most comparable guy to him at his age. I certainly don't consider Anderson to be a HOF game. http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderga01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 (edited) Baines is 100 times more deserving than Santo, Baines has the MOST hits for any player not in HOF who is eligible. Baines is NOT a self promoter or whiner like Santo. Baines is the best clutch hitter to EVER wear a Sox uniform, hell yes he is a HOF in my eyes but the DH stigma kills his chances. Edited January 11, 2009 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 QUOTE (StatManDu @ Jan 4, 2009 -> 07:41 PM) Those two strikes cost him huge in terms of hits. Instead of battling to get 3,000 hits at the end of his career The sad thing is that Harold wasn't going to get to 3,000 hits in a reasonable amount of time with the way that he was playing at the end of his career. He looked like he was swinging his bat in slow motion. I agree with the others who don't think that Harold is HOF-worthy. He had an outstanding career and is one of my all-time faves, but he was never a dominant player and failed to reach any of the major statistical hitting benchmarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) I was looking at a harold Baines bat on Ebay in the description of the bat it mention his 2866 hits. How does that compare to other american league sluggers. In this list of all time Al hit leaders many of which are hall of famers.................................................. 1. Ty cobb 3035 11429 2245 4191 723 297 117 1938 5859 1249 357 892 --- .424 .513 .367 2. T Speaker 2789 10195 1882 3514 792 222 117 1529 5101 1381 220 432 --- .417 .500 .345 3. C Yastrzemski 3308 11988 1816 3419 646 59 452 1844 5539 1845 1393 168 116 .379 .462 .285 4. E Collins 2826 9949 1821 3315 438 187 47 1300 4268 1499 286 745 --- .406 .429 .333 5. C Ripken 3001 11551 1647 3184 603 44 431 1695 5168 1129 1305 36 39 .340 .447 .276 6. G Brett 2707 10349 1583 3154 665 137 317 1595 5044 1096 908 201 97 .369 .487 .305 7. R Carew 2469 9315 1424 3053 445 112 92 1015 3998 1018 1028 353 187 .393 .429 .328 8. W Boggs 2440 9180 1513 3010 578 61 118 1014 4064 1412 745 24 35 .415 .443 .328 9. A Kaline 2834 10116 1622 3007 498 75 399 1583 4852 1277 1020 137 65 .377 .480 .297 10. S Rice 2404 9269 1514 2987 498 184 34 1078 3955 708 275 351 --- .366 .427 .322 11. H Baines 2830 9908 1299 2866 488 49 384 1628 4604 1062 1441 34 34 .356 .465 .289 12. B Ruth 2475 8327 2161 2860 506 136 708 2201 5762 2042 1306 123 --- .470 .692 .343 13. B Robinson 2896 10654 1232 2848 482 68 268 1357 4270 860 990 28 22 .322 .401 .267 many of which are hall of famers. I think he compares very favoritively. Edited February 3, 2009 by forrestg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 His hit total is a product of him moping around in platoon roles way after his prime. If he was such a good hitter, why did he never lead the league in batting average, RBI's, HR, or OBP? Hell, the only time he led the league in an offensive category was SLG% in 1984. He's 40th on the list for all-time hits, but he's also 27th for most outs made in a career. I don't think either should be used as a metric to let him in or keep him out of the hall, but they are both by products of playing for a long time. He was a DH for a long time and hung around for platoon roles. How many more hits would other HOF'ers get if they were entitled to the same luxuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Feb 3, 2009 -> 06:02 PM) His hit total is a product of him moping around in platoon roles way after his prime. If he was such a good hitter, why did he never lead the league in batting average, RBI's, HR, or OBP? Hell, the only time he led the league in an offensive category was SLG% in 1984. He's 40th on the list for all-time hits, but he's also 27th for most outs made in a career. I don't think either should be used as a metric to let him in or keep him out of the hall, but they are both by products of playing for a long time. He was a DH for a long time and hung around for platoon roles. How many more hits would other HOF'ers get if they were entitled to the same luxuries? Hard to say. Dhers get those luxuries because someone invented the position. Personally, I like the DH rule, without it I would would have seen the likes of great Dh's like the big hurt. At the plate he was consistent not spectacular but a lot better than average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 He is a HOFer in my book,then again I'm biased,he was my baseball idol growing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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