June 2, 200421 yr What do people see in this guy? He has to walk someone every inning (and very likely the lead off man).....he has major control issues throwing wild pitches .....and he has no real strike out pitch....he does not throw more than 90 with his fast ball Why the hell is he so hyped up? Look at the other guy the As threw out there ....that guy looked like a young stud with his Zito-esque breaking ball
June 2, 200421 yr He was throwing cookies all innign just a matter of time until someone hit one out. But i still feel he will be a big part of the sox this year.
June 2, 200421 yr He looked pretty terrible today, ozzie losing major points w/ me today for pulling shingo.
June 2, 200421 yr What do people see in this guy? He has to walk someone every inning (and very likely the lead off man).....he has major control issues throwing wild pitches .....and he has no real strike out pitch....he does not throw more than 90 with his fast ball Why the hell is he so hyped up? Look at the other guy the As threw out there ....that guy looked like a young stud with his Zito-esque breaking ball Give me a break, man. Cotts lost it tonight. Fine. Even though I think he was totally f***ed over on a couple 3-2 fastballs that were clear strikes but got called for balls. But overall he's been great outta the pen.
June 2, 200421 yr He's still in a learning process. ....and that's supposed to be done in the minors.
June 2, 200421 yr Repost from the GameThread ------------------------------- I've defended Neal pretty vehemently here before, but he's got to learn how to pitch. He knows how to throw pitches, but he needs to learn what he can throw, when, and where. Lecroy, Morneau, Phelps, and now Kielty, he threw Change-ups up in the zone. Actually I don't remember what he threw LeCroy, That one looked more like a fly out -- But I think that was an 0-2 pitch.
June 2, 200421 yr Author Jreedfan Maybe it is my frustration talking here....but pray tell me what you see in this guy? I am so tired of hearing about our hyped up pitching kids in the minors none of which amount to anything (except for Buerhle) Kip Wells, Dan Wright, Josh Fogg, Kevin Bierne etc etc and now this guy Get his WHIP #s and take a look at them. The guy just cannot pitch when it counts. Adkins has shown me more than this guy has.
June 2, 200421 yr His fastball is quick. It looks faster then 90. Just like Politte's looks slower then 96. So Cotts had a bad night. Thank Uribe, Jose, Paulie, Frank, and even Eric Chavez that we were even in this game. Uribe made a hell of a player, Jose, Paulie, and Frank are self-explanatory, and Eric Chavez missed a homer by like an inch or two...he just hit the ball on the bad part of the bat, otherwise that's gone. We lost to a good team, and we damn near won a game we probably shouldn't have. Get over it. Move on. The sun will rise tomorrow.
June 2, 200421 yr ....and that's supposed to be done in the minors. I was gonna say isn't that the point of minor league.
June 2, 200421 yr ....and that's supposed to be done in the minors. True, and I don't know why he isn't as well if he's a "starter." He needs to learn how to mix up his pitches, not throw the off speed stuf high in the zone etc. I just hate it when people start threads after a player messes up. I bet if Valentin would have K'd instead of hit that homerun, this thread never gets started and some jackass will start a thread on how bad Valentin is.
June 2, 200421 yr Jreedfan Maybe it is my frustration talking here....but pray tell me what you see in this guy? I am so tired of hearing about our hyped up pitching kids in the minors none of which amount to anything (except for Buerhle) Kip Wells, Dan Wright, Josh Fogg, Kevin Bierne etc etc and now this guy Get his WHIP #s and take a look at them. The guy just cannot pitch when it counts. Adkins has shown me more than this guy has. Oh yeah kip wells is really a piece of s***.
June 2, 200421 yr Kip Wells, Dan Wright, Josh Fogg, Kevin Bierne etc etc and now this guy Kip is a damn Fine pitcher who you No doubt gave up on too early -- I am so tired of hearing about our hyped up pitching kids in the minors none of which amount to anything (except for Buerhle) If you don't want to hear about our prospects, you don't have to listen.
June 2, 200421 yr Author Which is exactly why I said in my other thread that we need to get one stud reliever at the deadline Maybe Cotts will be fine in time, but if we are going for it this year, we cannot afford to take the growing pains with him
June 2, 200421 yr Jreedfan Maybe it is my frustration talking here....but pray tell me what you see in this guy? I am so tired of hearing about our hyped up pitching kids in the minors none of which amount to anything (except for Buerhle) Kip Wells, Dan Wright, Josh Fogg, Kevin Bierne etc etc and now this guy Get his WHIP #s and take a look at them. The guy just cannot pitch when it counts. Adkins has shown me more than this guy has. I see potential, I see a hell of a pitcher, I see a good make-up. The only thing Neal needs is better mechanics and to take that knowledge in his head and use it. Plus, he was traded here, he didn't come out of the organization like the other names you mentioned. BTW, I think the tiredness is talking here, not you.
June 2, 200421 yr In the last 3 weeks, Neal singlehandedly lost 3 games for the Sox. In Toronto. In Minnesota. In Oakland. When the game is on the line, his curve all but disappears, change-up stays up and fastball either misses by a foot or is put on a T for a hitter to hammer. A headcase in a Sox organization? You don't say. But to be fair, Sox deserved to lose this game any way: from Konerko's baserunning blunder that had him doubled up in 2nd....to Rowand's 2 bobbles and 0-fer at plate.....to Valentin failing to get down a bunt.....to Konerko chasing a change-up in the dirt with 2 aboard......to Crede DP-happy ineptitude and "slipping" while fielding a grounder.....to Olivo choking in front of Billie Beane.....to Timo Perez's worthlessness.......to Gload not paying attention and failing to take advantage of Crosby's wild throw.....to Ozzie sending Gload.....to Loaiza's TOTAL ineptitude.....to Marte losing his s*** in the 10th.
June 2, 200421 yr Which is exactly why I said in my other thread that we need to get one stud reliever at the deadline Maybe Cotts will be fine in time, but if we are going for it this year, we cannot afford to take the growing pains with him Before tonight he had been outstanding in the pen.
June 2, 200421 yr Author Oh yeah kip wells is really a piece of s***. Kip is decent, but he is no #1....I remember after the 2000 season how we supposedly had the best minor league pitching staff in the world Yeah riiiiggghhhhttttt
June 2, 200421 yr Before tonight he had been outstanding in the pen. I would say decent not outstanding because like brando fan said he has single handedly lost three games for the sox.
June 2, 200421 yr Kip is decent, but he is no #1....I remember after the 2000 season how we supposedly had the best minor league pitching staff in the world Yeah riiiiggghhhhttttt All i'm saying is that you cannot ever put him in the same category as Dan Wright and Josh Fogg.
June 2, 200421 yr Kip is decent, but he is no #1....I remember after the 2000 season how we supposedly had the best minor league pitching staff in the world Yeah riiiiggghhhhttttt So dont' listen -- Here's the scouting report on our minor league system: Every player is a piece of s***. Not one will amount to anything in the big leagues. There now if you believe that scouting report you can only be pleasantly surprised and can't complain about the HYPE.
June 2, 200421 yr Author Jordanfan Cotts has already lost us 3 games on his own Anyone can pitch when we have a 5 run lead, which is the position he pitches in most of the time Show me something with the game on the line when you have to make pitches...he has shown me squat there
June 2, 200421 yr I would say decent not outstanding because like brando fan said he has single handedly lost three games for the sox. Well I didn't count the Twins gm that he started. Everybody knows he was set up to fail. Other than tonight i've been very pleased with Neal outta the pen. His era was below 3 from what I can remember.
June 2, 200421 yr This is a team game. No player will lose a game for their team. Some players do screw up in these game. It might not be all the players, but some, damn near most of them. Could be a failed bunt attempt, to an error. BTW, notice that Cotts has stuggled on the road than at home. It's like he can't handle the pressure to make big pitches in away games than at home. He still needs some seasoning IMO.
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