is still garbage, can't throw strikes, he's always inconsistent

 

ozzie thinks this is impressive?

 

in before "this is only spring training" etc etc.

89 mph fastballs with no location = improved. It's going to be a long season with this 3-4-5 in our rotation.

Edited March 16, 200818 yr by fathom

I really can't believe some people drank the Kool-aid that Ozzie and KW were serving this spring about Gavin. Unless the Sox go to a 2 man rotation, they are so f***ed.

i disagree about our 3-4-5, danks and contreras haven't looked this brutal in spring, gavin is the one i'm worried about

Haha.

Jesus, you all are pathetic. He's had a great spring entering this start and had a bad outing. Big freaking deal. Whaaa...whaaa.whaaaaa. Wake me up when the season starts.

i disagree about our 3-4-5, danks and contreras haven't looked this brutal in spring, gavin is the one i'm worried about

 

Ok, a 3 man rotation, Danks can win 12 games. But Contreras might be worse than Floyd lloks today when he faces an AL team with good hitters.

Jesus, you all are pathetic. He's had a great spring entering this start and had a bad outing. Big freaking deal. Whaaa...whaaa.whaaaaa. Wake me up when the season starts.

 

I honestly don't care how his spring went....if he's still throwing 90 mph with little command, he's going to get cranked in the AL.

Jesus, you all are pathetic. He's had a great spring entering this start and had a bad outing. Big freaking deal. Whaaa...whaaa.whaaaaa. Wake me up when the season starts.

On this one I'll agree. A guy has a bad outing in the spring right around the time that Steve Stone keeps telling me every pitcher goes through some version of a dead arm period, and the sky is falling and we're all doomed.

Jesus, you all are pathetic. He's had a great spring entering this start and had a bad outing. Big freaking deal. Whaaa...whaaa.whaaaaa. Wake me up when the season starts.

 

Did somebody say "Jesus"?

 

Jesus, you all are pathetic. He's had a great spring entering this start and had a bad outing. Big freaking deal. Whaaa...whaaa.whaaaaa. Wake me up when the season starts.

Yeup. Hence the haha.

I'd rather have Masset start than Floyd.

I'd rather have Masset start than Floyd.

And if Gavin can't cut in in April, that's exactly what the first move will be.

I honestly don't care how his spring went....if he's still throwing 90 mph with little command, he's going to get cranked in the AL.

 

Yes. A few good outings does not make you not suck. Although he can now join Brian Anderson in the STHOF.

Yes. A few good outings does not make you not suck. Although he can now join Brian Anderson in the STHOF.

But one spring training start makes you worthless.

Yes. A few good outings does not make you not suck. Although he can now join Brian Anderson in the STHOF.

And a few bad outings, especially if it's in Spring Training, does not make you suck.

But one spring training start makes you worthless.

 

This is the real Gavin Floyd today. The guy the Phillies could not wait to dump. This is what you need to get used to while you are sitting at home in your Gavin Floyd jerseys, telling yourself that he is gonna be ok.

And a few bad outings, especially if it's in Spring Training, does not make you suck.

How about a career 6.30 ERA with 37 homers allowed in 178 innings?

I will go on record and bet with anybody that Floyd does not win 10 games this year.

Bottom line is he's the Sox starter, whether you like it or not. I think its pretty petty for people to rip him on one start in spring training as opposed to seeing what he does at the major league level.

 

Plus, if any of you had a clue, you'd realize that pitchers tend to go through a dead arm period during spring and this isn't some typical Hawk BS that he will ocassionally spew to make excuses (I've heard it countlessly from analysts and current/former pitchers over and over and that includes Steve Stone who isn't the type of guy that makes excuses).

 

Yes, Floyd had some bad starts last year, but he also had some good starts against the Tigers and like it or not is the starter. b****ing and moaning isn't going to change it and making stupid comments after he's had multiple starts this spring where he's thrown consistently above 90MPH (well at least based upon what I've read and your right, maybe there is some major conspiracy by the Tribune/Southtown and every highlight I've seen this spring which has shown him at times throwing over 90). Oh and Ozzie has always been the type of manager that kisses a players ass and follows the company line, oh wait, last I remember he has at many times ripped the s*** out of guys (including Brian Anderson, Jerry Owens at times last year who he called too scared to play in the majors).

 

I'm honestly sick and tired of the negative nancy bulls*** and when the season starts I'm just going to start one massive thread to keep stupid whining to (cause I know at times we all need to whine and b**** and get crap out cause all of us are very passionate about this squad).

 

Its one thing when we want to discuss a players skillset and make projections, but its another when I have to see a new thread every time someone has one bad day (especially in the case of guys like Konerko/Dye, etc who have proven themselves to be pretty freaking good players throughout there career).

And the Gavin Floyd arguments are back. As all of us who support him have said he's got a ton to prove but don't throw him under the bus yet, give him a freakin chance. He sucked in Philly but he was young as hell, no matter what, he pitched very nicely down the stretch. Give the guy a chance, one spring training start doesn't mean he's going to suck this year.

Edited March 16, 200818 yr by Rowand44

And a few bad outings, especially if it's in Spring Training, does not make you suck.

 

just curious, what about all the previous years of gavin floyds career, the ones where everyone questioned his mental approach, and his first season in teh MLB where he garnered a, i believe, 7+ ERA?

 

but yeah, he's good, this is just spring training/dead arm

At least you are enjoying yourself.

 

I'd be happier if we had Freddy Garcia back.

But one spring training start makes you worthless.

I agree. Failing in the NL means much more.

 

 

Just how long or short of a leash is Gavin going to get from you people? I give him a minimum of 4 ML starts if he comes North in a few weeks.

just curious, what about all the previous years of gavin floyds career, the ones where everyone questioned his mental approach, and his first season in teh MLB where he garnered a, i believe, 7+ ERA?

 

but yeah, he's good, this is just spring training/dead arm

Every 23 year old pitcher absolutely dominates right away. And once you reach the ripe old age of 25, you have absolutely no chance of success in the Majors.