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Yes, but I think because of the positive peripherals the FO is gonna want a legit return.

Yep. What's fair is fair. They put in work today.

So basically either trading for a MLB ready 2B prospect (Busch) or Sosa/Romy etc

Never underestimate left handed mega savagery power... Dude was torching AA and AAA by the end of the year. Will there be an adjustment? Sure. But when he connects he will kill the ball.

Jimmy....of LH/TA/LG who is the most likely to be dealt?

If TA is moved for something that's not a LH savage 2B..... 1 Robert R 2 Benintendi L 3 Jimenez R 4 Colas L 5 Vaughn R 6 Moncada S 7-8-9 who cares

Agreed. With TLR gone and a staff that will emphasize power and OBP instead of hitting grounders for average, they should be better than .500 already. And going from a clown and a 1B in the corners to 10D and Colas is worth a couple of defensive WAR just by itself. There's like a TON of things that all went wrong at the same time last year and a toxic locker room and they were still .500. This is a good baseball team. Not good enough to beat HOU, NYY or a few other clubs but definitely good enough to be in the playoffs with some positive regression.

I would definitely trade LH for Busch. The key thing with him is there is a debate as to how bad of a defender he is. Some say 45 which is fine with that left handed bat. Some say 30 which isn't playable at 2B. It all comes down to the eval, but having a legit savage LH bat with both hit AND power tool is great. Actually even if he's a 1B....if he's a LH savage at the plate they could use to make Vaughn available later. Busch would be great for Hendriks but the simulator says LH is nowhere near enough for him.

I guess it depends on what the FOs plan is for the rest of the offseason and how they plan on addressing other needs. If they can attach a couple 10-20 prospects to Grandal and have someone eat half the money, it might be OK if you used that 9m to help defray costs for a good player and it could be better than having to send Liam away to make the payroll work. It's tough to say in the abstract without knowing the different options and cost/benefit.

Lowe if healthy is a savage but whenever the Rays want to get rid of someone that makes me nervous that they either still aren't healthy or are about to suck. Also I don't want to give up Ramos who Law thinks could be a monster and I'm sure with the Rays they will develop him. We don't need to go thru even a poor man's version of the Tatis debacle again. If TB would accept something that doesn't involve Colas/Montgomery/Ramos, definitely would consider it assuming our medical team isn't garbage with their player health evaluations.

Is this leverage against TOR in trade talks or are they gonna roll the dice with Grandal and if he sucks turn it over to scrubs?

I'm glad you laughed dude. Try to laugh and have fun as much as you can dude. It's definitely good for you.

How many times do you think JR is gonna be "cool" with a 18m write-off?

Yeah that's why I think Hendriks for Jansen has to be imminent, even if people don't like it. If they could get someone to eat some of Grandals money it would give us some breathing room.

Jack also has the White Sox fan disorder overlay on top of the other stuff. There should be a diagnosis code in the DSM-IV for Chicago White Sox fan disorder. That by itself would probably reduce someone's GAF score from normal to at least 60 just by itself and maybe even into the 50s.

LOL. Nah bro.

If they could get someone to eat like even 5m of the salary that would be so awesome.

If they could turn him into a platoon LH 2B that would be incredible and to get the salary off the books instead of LH would be great.

Chisholm for TA+. RH, bring me the savage Jazz Chisholm at once!

How does Gleyber address the need for left handed power? I'll hang up and listen.

But u can't have it both ways dude. By that logic the Sox should never sign anyone because they will suck and if they then don't sign anyone, people will complain that they didn't sign anyone even tho those same people are saying if they paid for someone it would be a waste. You can't have it both ways, dude. We have a 2.5-3 WAR LH savage player that will also allow Eloy to prolly play 120+ games and likely hit 30+ HRs again without losing multiple outs in the field. All for 15m. Even Eeyore wouldn't complain too much about this deal.

He was smokescreening like I thought. They were pushing Gallo too hard which made no sense if he was the real target since the FO likes to operate in secret.

Jack you have to enjoy *something* when they at least try to significantly address issues and spend legit money otherwise what's the point dude unless this is just a shtick to get a reaction out of people like Ron.

I bet Hendriks to TOR for Jansen (in some form or another) is the next move. Balances out payroll and addresses C for the next two years. Foodies are also implying a BP trade is coming soon. At that point just add a 4th OF and low salary LH platoon 2B and they're prolly good to go I bet unless they get something huge for TA.

Savage numbers incoming.