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We should close the thread why? Because not everyone chooses to stick their head in the sand? This is one of our big potential signings. Obviously I don't think it is gonna happen but the smallest chance is at least enough for us to follow the process through to the end.

If the Sox cant get Bauer, a great bat can make up for some of the lack of potential pitching power. Bauer is absolutely priority 1 for me, but Springer would be fine in lieu.

I can hope that my shit will turn into gold one of these days but it will always be for naught. The naivety helps no one.

Wow, really? None yet. But we're going to. We always do. Again, how many times does the boy have to cry wolf for some people to get it?

Obviously there are some people here who will never stop falling for it.

First time I have to laugh at a post of yours. There is good reason for people to be mad. Don't know why you would play stupid here.

I see you 100% missed the point. Like I said... you'd think some of you became a fan yesterday and know nothing about JR and this organization. Prepare to be disappointed again. The amount of willful ignorance and naivety around here is sad. Some people just don't pay attention.

How are you confused? I already stated that there is every reason to be upset and expect this to be true. And you seem to be acting as if we are being unreasonable by feeling that way. What other point do you need or are you looking for? What on earth are you confused about?

Lol. What I mean is what I said. You extrapolated something else. Not sure what "discussing" had to do with people being willfully ignorant on a specific subject.

That is not what I said or suggested at all.

I seriously get frustrated simply because many of you act like you're new to this team and don't seem to realize how this team has been operating for years now. Fans are upset because it's very likely we get bamboozled AGAIN. And there is PLENTY of reason to expect it. The organization talks a big game and acts like they are a big market team yet cheap out all the time. Why expect different? This is not new. Stop being dense.

That should be a good sign.

But you do realize that's what's been going on for years and years, right? I'm really glad some of you are trying to be optimistic, but you know deep down inside the chances of us getting Springer or Bauer are slim to none.

Oh jeez. A Schwarber thread? Really? May as well just concede the possibility of signing anyone good at this point, LOL.

It amazes you that people are upset because they expect the same thing that's been going on for years and years to still occur?

Problem is that this statement is not true. Your entire argument is that he is a "well below average" defender based on a couple of squad games and you admit you haven't watched him much otherwise. Lol.

Yeah l, that just seems to be a rising opinion around here lately from what I'm seeing.

I get it but I do have to concur that I think the flat out assumption of him being MLB ready early next year when he hasn't even seen AA level yet seems a little silly to me.

I have. But I still try. But I never need to resort to the petulant comments. You were one post in and quit, offering no cointerpoints. Again, you know you're lying to yourself. Sorry that logic 101 is stupid to you. Sorry that you don't realize that your argument is 100% unequivocally wrong.

Translation: "I can't offer a cointerpoint. So I'm going to leave and take a swing at you on the way out." Very Trumpian. You using Strasburg's contract as the lone reason for the Nats' doing poorly last year shows that if anyone is lacking intellectual ability here (I'm not douchey enough to ACTUALLY say that, just displaying the idea of using your own tactic against you) it's you. Also, Washington is a special case because they basically spent half a billion dollars on three pitchers. I don't think even the Yankees are doing that. Again, context is needed for your examples. Your posts are wrapped around logical fallacies like arteries. Don't bother jumping into an argument that you then have to ignore the responses for and then insult the person and walk away like a scorned child. You do that because you know damn well you cant win with your words. Man up and be a fucking adult. I have never had to walk away from an argument because I deemed my opponent too stupid. Sorry, but any intelligent person can see right through that obvious bullshit excuse.

Your "other teams did the same thing and didn't do well (seemingly because they spent that money?)" logic does not hold water. The example of Strasburg is such a blatant obfuscation. Signing Strasburg is not what single handedly made them do poorly, you essentially boiling that down to Strasburg is ridiculous. What the result was of someone else's decision should not dictate your own in a situation that hinges on numerous factors. The 2020 White Sox are not any of the teams you mentioned. Saving money up until this point had a purpose. Now is spending time. If you honestly believe it is written in the stars as an absolute that if you pay someone top dollars it will somehow spell doom for your team then a rational discussion is beneath you.

Yet you saw me clarify in the following post yet you are acting as if I didn't. Again, you're being purposely dishonest. The argument is true because that's just what today's market looks like. You're not gonna get an A-lister without paying an A-list price. You using this player or that player as an example of a contract that hasn't worked out has nothing to do with the actual point. Also, none of those teams you are cherry picking are the 2020 White Sox, are they? Comparing this team to the Orioles (61 million isn't even in the damn range we are talking about)? Seriously? The White Sox are actually a contending team, there's no team you just used as an example that was at the time of signing those players a remote comparison to the 2020 White Sox. And you asking how Harper helps the Phillies is frankly a really dumb question. They are benefiting more than just having a good baseball player. But you don't have a logical mindset so you can't use discretion to see the differences between your very own examples. Too much black and white thinking. "Sensibly?" Sure they are. But sometimes paying a lot is sensible too. Not sure why you think going all out for one big guy is insensible. If we want someone like Bauer, Springer, Ozuna, etc. then we will have to pay a premium price, like they actually TRIED with Wheeler (which pretty much invalidates your own argument). As expected, your arguments are all over the place and severely lacking coherence. Again, since you again ignored every point I made, Grandal's contract was not huge by today's market and again... signing a bunch of players to modest/moderate contracts =/= signing a major superstar or A-list player to a blockbuster contract. As an earlier poster suggested, the idea that countless years of being cheap is suddenly negated by signing a few players to going rates is a laughable argument.

Umm... spending modestly/moderately on numerous free agents =/= spending big on a monster FA player. The later being something the Sox almost literally have never done is what most of us are frustrated about You act like 200 million was for one year of payroll or a signing for one big FA. They offered one to Wheeler but he didn't take it. Yes, they added several players on mostly modest or moderate signings when their payroll was at a staggering low. They didn't get the one or two *big* contracts and overall they didn't balloon their payroll. Grandal was the biggest signing in history and is nowhere near in the realm of anyone we're currently talking about in Free Agency. You're dancing around the point and are either purposely being intellectually dishonest or dense (again). No one has ever said the Sox "won't sign free agents" as you put it verbatim so the only assumption to make based on that wording is that they don't sign the *big* free agents. And they still haven't. Grandal wasn't that big yet it was the biggest in team history and again, no one else they signed was to a *big* contract. So either way... I stand correct. And then the pointless, pithy comment at the end shows how much you think your point stands on its own merits (which is not at all). When your words can't carry weight it's time for petulance. (You failing to understand a pretty basic analogy is your embarrassment, not mine)

Umm... the fact Grandal's signing was the biggest in Sox history shows that it's not a narrative, but a fact.

That's basically what I said. Yes. And don't get me wrong, and no way would I be surprised if that ended up being the case. I think I just speak for a lot of people when I say it gets tiresome and depressing year after year teether with on these good free agents or not even try. The rebuild is over, this is exactly the time where we should be buying.