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why Marlins?

expos have sme good players though - padres have none

there is the I'm a pastor they are Padres sort of thing but that takes a far second plaace to I see them as the most inept NL team and I want the AL to win the game so rather than memorize who is the worst, I let the Padres be my template for that

yeah they do when we first got fan voting back in the 70s it was such a big deal, people took it seriously - now I'd scoff at anyone taking it seriously - stuff the ballot bag for all Sox players only way to go and in the NL I vote for all Padres

MSU getting we are far afield of Danny Wright I like Danny Wright I wish him well

ok BeGod, lyric class time "that's why I'm easy, easy like Sunday Morning" is the exact quote from the Commodores 1978 hit Easy. "that's why I am easy, I'm easy, take my hand and pull me down, I won't put up any fight, because I'm easy" is the quote from Keith Carradine's 1977 Oscar winning song "I'm Easy" from the movie Nashville. You are too young to know the second song

on occasion

guess what game I am going to in Ann Arbor this fall?

welcome fotop and where do I know your name - sox mlb boards? You have given some brilliant analysis through the years. I know I have liked your work, I just wish I remembed where I read it.

with the cash in his hand that he took? No to Joe. Remember his answer to say it ain't so, Joe; he responded, it is. Joe is honored greatly in the panels that the Sox have on the club level which beautifully illustrate white sox history - I wish those panels were where everyone might see them - that is sufficient honor for Joe's contributions. But no way place Joe amongst those we honor with the highest honors. Bibb Falk, Fielder Jones, Ray Schalk, deserve that honor far far more.

random verses can be pulled out that sound abhorent, to be sure, and that can be done with just about any literature there are so many sources of Biblical texts, so many styles of literature, so many contexts of which we are unaware - one of the best things that I ever did was study the Scriptures in seminary - those classes opened so much to me - of course I am firmly in the so-called critical studies of Scriptures (literary criticism, historic, redaction, etc) for getting at what is there - I can't explain the experience but I really recommend that you consider that. One of the outcomes for me was to see the Scriptures as a whole and use that as a prism for looking at any particular passage, especially the problematic ones. The Deuteronomic code was never exercised in reality, it was a reform of a certain late time period in the monarchy (and it was in way written by Moses to say the very least). Some of the lesser parts of that code, such as the one cited, in their historic context actually establish a worth for women that was fairly unknown in its time; yet again it remains a patriarchial (in its negative sense) possessory passage. It stands as a commentary on a culture that was overthrown by history which if one takes the (totally unstudied by most) 8th century prophets and their successors seriously (as I do) this is nothing more than a cultural artifact. you'd find some interesting understandings of that Markan text from the Jesus Seminar. That passage is interesting in the discussion of what was the Messianic concept that Jesus held in self contemplation as well as what the family thought which becomes more interesting recalling that Mark gives us no birth narratives (which are totally ahistorical while yet witnessing to the Gospel). Yes, Jesus' family thought he was crazy when the period of public ministry began. Paul has occasional misogynist comments and that is one. That I hope should not take away from the brilliance of Paul's theology. No one is perfect. But Paul was, to me, an astounding theologican and in my realm Paul ranks with Luther and Bonhoeffer as the greatest of the Church. Correct translations of Romans and other Pauline writings reveals Paul considering women as equals in the presbyterate which was later covered up by intentional mis-translating for the sake of removing women from leadership in the institutionalizing Church of the post destruction of Jerusalem period when Rome began to assert domiance; prior to 70 CE the church was quite a bit more egalitarian than it was later. The Timothy text, there is a mystery in authorship. See my comments above. Proverbs is a tough book because of its overstated didactic style and its periodic bromides. That passage, a cultural artifact. If we de-violence-ize that passage, it does say to not let one's kids walk all over one, be a parent in the best of senses. Luke 9 text is directly dependent on similar passages in the Elijah/Elisha narratives among others. There are plenty of times in pastoral ministry that I have given and been in need of the admonition to let the dead bury the dead and move into life. That passage also echoes the story of Lot's wife - as Bob Dylan said, never look back - move forward, don't dwell, don't live, in the past. Luke 14, perhaps a gloss, perhaps a real echo of the Essene community which Jesus certainly was familiar with. The term "hate" is used to really catch one's attention to the call of a radical discipleship which rejected the status quo of its day and resonntes yet today in certain situations. It is certainly balanced with many other passages which speak of the opposite. Jesus' teachings are recorded in great degree in a koine Greek "mn de" (poor transliteration) construction - on the one had, on the other hand. It is dialetic without ever reaching, let alone attempting, synthesis. It is a truism that the mark of a good Lutheran theologian or any one who studies the recorded sayngs must be capable of holding two opposing thoughts in one's mind at the same time. Sometimes it is referred to as doing theology or Biblical studies in tension - we have things that are in tension with other things and what God is saying is found as we look at those things holding in tension and realize that nothing comes in neat little gift boxes tied up with string.

I am ashamed that there are great lengths I will go to to attend a game on a bobble head day to get the day's give away. I once entered the park twice to get Frank's. I had two tickets so that was legit.

Frank yes. Mags if he stays. not Ozzie, no way as a player. We have never retired a manager's number so after Ozzie wins 5 world series, we can retire his. One will not be sufficient.

be careful there 2k4, he's a Spartan and they like that sort of thing

I humbly submit that your view on interdependence and independence is extremely myopic also dangerous act arrogantly and we will be the target of every terrorist in the world and nothing will stop that being a part of the world is the only way we can live at peace in the world

not much into Elvis C (or Elvis P.. I did love Elvis Grbac when he was qb for Michigan ) I love the lyrics you quote from him though for my money JCSuperstar is still the best what is truth, some unchanging law? what is truth, is mine the same as yours? like the best line ever...

I grew up in the part of the Church that shared that vision, I understand that faith stance well, and I left that part of the Church long ago to be in a different place in the Church. It is not the vision the God has given to me, and it certainly is not the understanding of what it means to be a Christian as I am informed by the Scriptures. If your vision works for you, fine, God's blessings, it works for some. It does not work for all. God's gift is the vastness of ways that we may comprehend God because God is so much more profound than our ability to conceive. There are many other visions of God that the Spirit grants and the respect for the vision of others is integral to the prayers of Jesus that we may all be one. A very important to my theological stance stems from the insights that God in all mercy granted to me by the Spirit as I reads all of the Scriptures and that is that the least thing that our faith is about is "salvation" or "where will I spend eternity" or however one phrases it. Jesus (as the Incarnate One) nor God call us to too having too much heaven on our minds*. The Gospel is not some sort of insurance policy. We do not respond to the call of Christ because we get something for it. The recorded words of Jesus speak very little of what is to come after death in comparison to what all is recorded that Jesus said. The Easter message the from beyond death Christ calls, that death has no victiory, has no triumph, that death is God's enemy to be destroyed and that we will share in communion with God that transcends this life, that is all very sweet - but it is not the point or object of faith. Living out the call of Christ in response to God, that is point. And that is centered in this life. The least thing I understand that we are called to do is convert others to believe doctrinal matters in uniformity with our particular theological tradition in the Church. The least thing we are called to do is enlist others to have our identical set of human construct faith beliefs. If the Church were truly about doing what od requires, estabishing justice, loving mercy, and walking humbly with its God, I believe all the world would know God through us a whole letter than they do now where we sometimes treat others as people to get signed up on our doctrinal assent statements. Given the variety of Christian faith traditions, I think that we all exist as part of the one holy, catholic and apostolic Church of Jesus Christ becase we reflect the diversity of humanity which is a reflection of the diversity, the vastness, of God. Blessings be on us all. I am not going to play Bible quoters. I am really, really good at it, better than anyone. What some of you can do with minor league stats, for example, I can do with the Biblical texts. That is my vocation after all. As I said before, I have been clearly convinced by the Scriputres which are the source for the faith and life of the Church that we know God in Christ, those of us who do, and that there may well be other ways for others to know God and it is not for me to deny that God's grace can reach anyone in a way that is real for each person. I am not going to pretend that my faith traditioon, or more properly, the dogamtic theological affirmations of the faith tradition and faith body to which I belong, by which I include all Christendom, is the only way that God has ever interacted with the human creation. I know the revelation of God in Christ. I will not try and limit God to only doing revelation in the manner that I know by reason of birth place and culture. Oh, Bible verses can be quoted that out of the entire Scriuptural context would not support that. I could overwhelm this forum with the supporting Scriptural texts and reflections off of those. It woudl serve no purpose. I affirm the goodness of the vision of PA, 2k4, kap, others. It is a different vision that God has granted to me, to others. God is not limited by our limitations. We may all disagree on doctrinal points and yet all be right. The very issues that FlaSoxxJim raises as problematic continue yet to be problematic. I being a different person than PA would respond differently. Blessed is Jim, blessed is PA. Blessed is I4E. Blessed are those who.... agree with me? agree with my theoligcal mandates? Blessed. Blessed are those who have understood God and related to God in ways vastly different than my ways because God's grace and love are supreme - not a particular faith or religion being supreme - but the Freedom God to be love to all made in God's own image, that is everything. *musical reference for FlaSoxxJim

occupational hazard

I edited the topic title. I realise that "Kill the Ump" is an old phrase in baseball and my opinion, not a very good phrase. Death is not an appropriate wish in response to a call in a game. Far, far more than that the admins and mods recently made a decision that all death threats would be not allowed. We had a situation where someone wished death on a broadcaster and it was problamatic to say the least. Before I get accused of being overly sensitive, I am not only enforcing a admin/mod decision (which I support fully)... ... but in the "kill the ump" case we as Sox fans should be especially sensitive since we have had an umpire attacked and permanently injurd on our field. There is a correlation between causal language and actions. Any complaints, PM me.

534, row 5, seats 9-10 pretty much every Saturday and Sunday home game I think I will have the kid with me on the 1st and 2nd, he has been bugging me a lot to go (which is a very good thing, better than me having to drag him!) and he loves the fireworks. Just dawned on me I have a meeting the 2nd. f*** it. I will get someone to cover that. I am going to USCF that weekend.

Me. Don't let that stop you from going though.

I never thought to look in my seasons ticket stuff... I have looked in the magazine, what is it, Diamond View, oir whatever they sell, and other things, never thought to look there I still think it should be more accessible because if you don't know about it, you won't know about it.

Young Gun could be Old Roman - who else would think to go back to the old old threads? Or not. Could be Beastley. Could be a unique person all his/her own self. I hadn't thought of YG as Beastley, interesting thought.

irrespective of the thread's basic argument, I love thread titles that are the names of Beatles songs! I am very anxious to see Jeremy Reed play.

no, each gets their own kennel run (buillt next to each other, there are 5 or 6) in a very secure area, close to where the players park (board your dog, see Frank's Hummer!). If your dog goes nuts over fireworks, that is something to think about. But I love PetCheck. It really is a great, great thing.