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Why is Lynn out of the game??

Scar tissue is not a bursa. This is getting more and more ludicrous. The scar tissue was removed from contact with the bursa to stop inflammation of the bursa. That is what debridement means. If the bursa were removed how could it continue to be inflamed? Completely non sensical

Sure but as I’ve clearly demonstrated Rodon is not pitching without a bursa as you claimed with support of false facts like “bursae don’t grow back” and “ Rodon had his bursa removed.”

Further: “Rodon underwent shoulder surgery at the hands of the California-based surgeon, but it revealed only severe bursitis. I cross-checked the descriptions of the event against John Danks’ procedure, and the only word in common was “debridement.” Aside from clearing out the scar tissue to address the inflammation, it didn’t involve his labrum, rotator cuff or shoulder capsule.” Yes, an explanation that conforms to the actual meaning of debridement. https://www.southsidesox.com/2017/9/29/16384000/carlos-rodons-shoulder-at-top-of-rick-hahns-season-summary

I don’t think refuting outlandish unsupported claims is a weird hill in light of the question of Rodon’s health related to the prospects of resigning him. If Rodon had no bursa he wouldn’t be pitching. Simple as that. The facts speak for themselves

No if the bursa were removed it wouldn’t be called debridement. Debridement is the removal of objects causing damage. A bursa cannot cause damage to itself. If there were nothing to debride, the bursa wouldn’t be damaged in the first place. Your claim is completely nonsensical.To claim Rodon is pitching without a bursa in his shoulder and that sources like mercy hospital is lying is straight up outlandish. So I gave academic sources to prove my point which you’ve ignored. Here’s another source: “If the condition becomes chronic, however, the inflamed bursa sac may be surgically removed and, over time, a new one will form in its place.” https://www.mlb.com/glossary/injuries/bursitis-and-shoulder-bursitis So even if he did have a bursectomy as you claim without support of evidence, as Ive shown via numerous sources, he still would after heaLing have a reformed bursa, contrary to your unsupported claim that “bursae don’t grow back.” Either way you’re wrong in your contention Rodon is pitching without a bursa, which is a ludicrous claim

Seriously? Just the word debridement should be enough, meaning the removal of that which is causing damage and preventing healing, not the thing itself. Foreign loose bodies of either infectious material or bone, cartilage or fibrous material

If debridement is sometimes performed prior to bursectomy, then they aren’t the same thing. I already answered 2a

Reoccurrence means reoccurrence of the condition, not the regrowth of the bursa. “A return of symptoms as part of the natural progress of a disease.”

Really? Bursa do regrow, and debridement and bursectomy are two different things. Those are facts not personal. Why ptc claims that is not the case is beyond me, but here is further support: “The edges of the released tissue are then debrided with the mechanical shaver to expand the decompressed area and to allow for placement of the arthroscopic camera, mechanical shaver, and radio- frequency devices to access the underlying greater trochanteric bursa. An extensive greater trochanteric bursectomy is then performed” Now how can bursectomy be performed after debridement if they are the same thing? further: “Bursa will regrow.” Fox J., Duquin T. (2017) Olecranon Bursitis. In: Eltorai A., Eberson C., Daniels A. (eds) Orthopedic Surgery Clerkship. Springer, Cham. https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-319-52567-9_20

Nothing in that document supports your claim that bursae don’t regrow. Dude it clearly states the debridement is SOMETIMES performed prior to the removal of the bursa. You have got to be just fucking with me at this point

So you think claiming bursa regrow is a generality? Do you still actually believe like you did twenty minutes ago that bursa do not regrow and mercy hospital is lying or what? Whatever, you clearly simply to refuse to admit you’re wrong

From Wheeless Textbook of Orthopaedics: Elements of bursectomy: - needs to be compulsive and complete for appropriate visualization; - there needs to be complete removal down to the subdeltoid space; - there should be complete visualization 1 cm medial to both the anterior and posterior arthroscopic portals; - OR descriptions bursal proliferation and inflammation, hemorrhaging in CA ligament, hypertrophy and fraying of CA ligament, acromial spur formation; - bursa is sometimes debrided after the acromioplasty, since it tends to bleed more (disrupting the case); - take special when debriding around the AC joint since bleeding is especially troublesome; - rotate the arm internally and externally to expose different parts of the bursa; - downward traction generally increases the working space available for the subacromial space. - use of a radiofrequency device before a motorized shaver is used for bursectomy can help to minimize bleeding; - methodically sweep the shaver along the bursa; Now how can a debridement be sometimes performed during a bursectomy procedure, prior to exposing different parts of the bursa and subsequently the shaving of the bursa, if they are the same thing? How can an “element” of something be the thing itself?

You actually want me to provide more sources that the well known fact bursae regrow???

I can’t believe you’re still claiming bursa doesn’t grow back. Mercy hospital not a good enough source? The tissue removed in debridement can include cartilage and bone Spurs or infected material around the bursa

Come on man. Debridement is removal of objects around the bursa and bursectomy is removal of the bursa itself, as I’ve clearly shown. You actually believed Rodon has no bursa, when I’ve shown that even if he had bursa removed, it would have grown back, which you incorrectly claimed doesn’t happen.

https://www.mercy.com/health-care-services/orthopedics-sports-medicine-spine/specialties/foot-ankle/treatments/foot-bursectomy-or-surgical-removal “A bursectomy is a surgical procedure in which the doctor removes one or more of these painful sacs from the space around your heel. As a you heal, new bursae form in its place. The new bursae are less likely to become irritated. That helps you move without pain.”

Yes it does

“Surgery aims to create more space for the tendons underneath the acromion, to prevent them from impinging against the bone. Surgery can also remove inflamed tissue from the bursa, or remove the bursa altogether if necessary (a new one will grow back)” If bursectomy and debridement are the same thing, how is there such a thing as bursectomy with debridement? Bursectomy is the removal of the bursa itself. Debridement is the removal of tissue that inflames or infects the bursa, ie bone Spurs, cartilage and damaged tissue. In the above quote the former is debridement, the latter is bursectomy. https://www.findacode.com/newsletters/aha-coding-clinic/icd/bursectomy-irrigation-debridement-I232019.html “A patient was admitted with infected prepatellar bursitis of the right knee. An irrigation, debridement and bursectomy were performed.” if debridement and bursectomy are the same thing, why are they listed separately here? Poor guy is going to be double billed for same procedure

Incorrect, it wouldn’t be called debridement if it was a bursectomy

Even in the case of bursa removal, the bursa grows back so he wouldn’t be missing any tissue anyway, even if he did have a bursectomy, which you still havent provided a source for.

Yes they are https://aidmybursa.com/bursitis-surgery/bursectomy-bursa-removal-surgery.php

Regardless there’s no reason to believe he didn’t go through the proper physical therapy to where he is fully recovered anyway

Debridement and bursectomy are two different things. Where’s your source he had a bursectomy?