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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:12 AM) Why dont you bring up Pierre or Rios?!?!?!? LOL at this s***ty team. White Sox are a joke. And Steve, Rios does suck as does Juan.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:01 AM) Dunn would be better off trying to hit right handed holding the bat upside down. Adam Dunn is so bad it is beyond belief. I think he's the worst player I've ever seen, truthfully.

Teahen should never, ever start a game, especially at 3B.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jun 21, 2011 -> 02:54 AM) No, I don't think they'll come back. But the Cubs were down 3-0 in the 1st. We're down three in the 6th. Point taken, but my point wasn't to praise the lousy Cubs but to point out how we suck in making comebacks.

Now that we are trailing, this will be entertaining seeing all the pop ups the Sox hit the rest of the game.

Bruney stinks, right? We conceding?

whats the link to the chat room tonite? lets go in.

Here's what kills me. We were up, 3-0 and the s***ty Cubs don't quit and take a 6-3 lead. You think there's any way in hell we come back from our own 3-run deficit? No f***ing way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 07:58 PM) Yeah, because you are the devil. I think shack is right about your me complex. I also am pretty right about what you would think of being used as an insult, because you take it personally when someone disagrees with you. You would lose it if I used you to mean some sort of sub-intelligent figure. Honestly, I believe something like this should be used as an opportunity to make yourself a better person. That's why it even got brought up. But if you are perfectly proud of your ignorance here, there isn't much of a point. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:08 PM) Fair enough. Balta +1. Do you think that was a fireable offense? And for the record, I'll remove the "R" word from my vocabulary. QUOTE (Bighurt52235 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 09:31 PM) Its so LOL to take serious offense to someone using a word. Its unfathomable to me that someone could get butthurt from somebody using a word to describe someone else over the internet. Its gotten to a ridiculous point in this country (and surely others). A few years ago, a politician was forced to resign for correct use of the term 'n****rdly' in a press conference. As we all know, that word has nothing to do with race. 1.I'm trying to figure out what the JM word means? I am having a brain fart on JM and what Ozzie said. I also thought this was an opportunity to make you a better person and just remove the R word from your possible choice of words. And you said you'll remove the word from your vocabulary which is great. 2. Yes you have to watch what you say nowadays, though I still like to wish people a merry christmas. If somebody said happy hanukah to me I would say thanks I wouldn't give a s*** that I don't celebrate Hanukah (sp).

QUOTE (BigEdWalsh @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 09:21 PM) Is this a major league team? Who are these guys?! QUOTE (maki @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:37 PM) Mainstream media writers or on-air personalities still have to sell a product, and quoting SABR doesn't sell it yet. If they don't use it in their own analysis then they're not very good at their job, or make up for it by being "colorful." You realize BA, ERA, etc are generally components of new statistics, correct? At least in some fashion. They're a better understanding of a player's true value or skill based on what's become available to us in the age of unlimited data and tracking. Thanks for the jinx. I now guarantee Pena will go deep at least twice. Maybe 3 times. And Zambrano is capable of mowing us down. 2.) then none of them are good at their job, cause nobody uses that stuff. Hawk Harrelson?? He'd laugh in your face with some of these new mega stats.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 08:11 PM) Why is this same exact argument being rehashed in here? I'm pretty sure it involved the exact same people in the other thread as well. Probably because somebody used the word again. Why use an offensive word?

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:41 PM) I'm going to have to agree with J4L, when I read that article, the term "retarded" was the first thing that popped into my head. He seriously just proposed a mega-deal involving us trading Ozzie and Peavy in exchange for one of the best players in the game. I mean, really? I hate all this politically correct pussification bulls*** that's been going on in our country over the past decade. That idea of his was retarded. Plain and simple. I hate political correctness too, but that word never pops in my head. And even tho you call it pussification bulls***, you can't go around society saying that word or you won't have a job. Some things we just abide by nowadays. And think of the writer's perspective. He's a columnist who has a great topic out there in the Marlins wanting Ozzie again. He used the Peavy line. One of many lines in the column. It got a rise out of you, so it worked. People are talkin' about his column. Asinine is a better word than the r word in the context of the Peavy line.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:33 PM) Couldn't me saying "dumb" s*** be me insinuating anybody who didn't graduate HS is dumb? Just playing Devil's advocate. I clearly stated that using the "R" word was not me insulting anybody mentally challenged. They have an excuse. What the hell is Phil Roger's excuse? If the Marlins could take on salary such as Peavy's they'd have about 5 World Series titles right about now. Because they sure as f*** can scout, draft and develop. I like you but you are too defensive. I normally shut up when get called out or try to explain myself. In this case, I'd have gone up and killed my original post. Just not worth going there. I thought Rogers story was pretty good overall. You make a good point about Peavy, tho.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) I think the platooning of Brent is what kept him looking so good for so long. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:46 PM) And I think the lack of playing time has inhibited him from developing any sort of consistency in his batting. Interesting. Lilly has 25 hits in 94 at bats and seven are home runs. He has 11 walks which is pretty good, and 26 strike outs in 94 at bats. Isn't baseball a crazy game. A skinny guy like that with seven home runs (just 13 RBI). I like the Bomb, but seven of his 25 hits are dingers. Crazy. Eleven of hits are extra base. Only 14 singles.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:21 PM) From a baseball sense, I think it applies. That's some of the dumbest s*** I've ever heard in my life. Peavy to the f***ing Marlins? C'mon, now. This guy gets paid to print this s***. Some other parts of the story were fine, though. Call it dumb s***, but why go through the 'R' word routine? Not calling you out too much, I just think you, me and a lot of people would be better served to read their posts carefully before hitting the save button sometimes. I've edited myself a lot since my ban last year.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:14 PM) Sabermetrics aren't mainstream yet. They're still relatively underground. But five years from now, nobody is going to be referencing wins and BA to determine a player's true worth. At least that's my prediction, anyway. JP is worthless. I don't care if he hits .290. And even then he'd have to go on a serious hot singles streak to accomplish that. They are not mainstream at all. I never hear anything mentioned except some broadcasts flash on base percentage on the screen next to the batting average. No announcers talk Sabes or ask questions to GMs about sabes. I mean if Pierre is up to .270, that's decent in the mainstream eye. Of course they do talk about stolen bases and caught stealing and he's not good in that anymore.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:50 AM) I teach in a Doctoral level PT program. I have students who have never received a B even through their undergrad. One graduate still won't talk to me because I gave her the only B she received in her life. I haven't had parents call me. I have had many State Senator and Representatives call me to wonder why I student he recommended didn't get into the program. That is amazing she won't speak to you. I'm sure if she's that upset, you had discussions with her after the release of the grade. You think she would understand she deserved the B and deal with it. It's not why you gave her the B, but I would think that B will be a true life lesson for her as well. Nobody's perfect even those who are told they are perfect by their parents from Day one until they leave the nest. That's pretty crazy state officials have called you after the fact. Is that ethical? I would think if they raised hell about it after the fact, that'd be a no no.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:06 PM) I have to say it, as I can't help myself. Phil Rogers is retarded. Yes, retarded. That is not me insulting every mentally challenged person in the world. But Phil Rogers, yes, retardation is the only suitable term I can come up with. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:08 PM) No, greg. You say after just about every loss that Ozzie should be fired. I want Ozzie gone independent of if we win the division or not. I just think his act is old and his managerial skills don't justify all the other crap that you have to deal with, with him. 1.) Some words you should just not go there and 'retarded' is one of them. Rogers isn't retarded. Why do you have to even go there? Sometimes it's best to re-read your post before saving and not go there. 2.) I call for his firing cause this is the first year he's deserved to be canned by traditional baseball standards. High payroll, all-in, minimal results. That doesn't mean I don't like him. I think fathom may understand my position on Ozzie.

QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:28 PM) Hitting coaches have about the same impact as one might expect from all those free-throw shooting coaches Shaq had. QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) Then why do they have a high paying job? 1.) Great post. I agree. 2.) Because they do apparently do a lot of think tank work, like making tapes available for players, probably listen to them as they discuss hitting. Problem is the players ultimately don't listen to these guys. I would think they are great organizers and listeners thus the healthy contract salary.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 06:00 PM) Why aren't you blaming Adam Dunn and Alex Rios!??!!?!??!! I've done that before and will do that again. I'm sure nobody wants to hear it now.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:13 PM) Honestly, is there anybody left who thinks this? I guess ranger, Chi Soxix or however he spells it and el rockin. Greg depending on whether the moon is full or not. QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:19 PM) lol. Was that you that brought up WAR and how Viciedo would probably add three or four more wins to the Sox over the course of a season? Of course, Ranger's response was the White Sox aren't going to dump Pierre because they have to get some sorta return on their "investment." And that there's still value in a guy that can hit .290. I don't like Pierre's slappy style of hitting and he's having a bad year defensively and can't throw but I agree there is value in a guy that can hit .290. I have a question for all the new-wave stat people. I listen to games on the radio and MLB.com and listen to interviews with GMs and the like and the comments made are ALWAYS about the old stats like batting average for hitters, wins for pitchers, ERA for pitchers. Many of you act like batting average means NOTHING. If so, then why do all the pundits, including the national baseball guys during interviews, never mention these other categories that so impress the stat geeks (said with all due respect, I realize all of you are not geeks in the skinny, glasses-wearing, pocket protector sense of the word).

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 10:00 AM) Are you bipolar? At least try and be consistent. You've been shouting for weeks that Ozzie/KW need to be fired. Now Ozzie is as good as any possible manager we could replace him with? Then we're more f***ed than I could possibly have imagined. I explained my position before. I thought Ozzie should be fired for that awful start, which I didn't think we'd ever dig out of. I was somewhat wrong (at least it looks that way, this team is unpredictable usually in a bad way; we could lose 5 of 6 to the cubs and it wouldnt shock me). I wouldn't balk if he got fired today even though we are starting to sniff .500 which would look really bad nationally. It wouldn't make much sense to the masses since we've crept close to being an average .500 team. At the same time I have said I think he's a great manager and will manage until the day he decides to quit. I truly believe he'd be as qualified and/or as good as whomever we hire to replace him. My guess is we'll go the boring guy route next time. I'd be up for Sandberg.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 12:16 AM) Greg, your "once in a while" comment is going to get you lambasted by the real statistics and our abysmal success percentage in those situations. This is like the two camps fighting over Greg Walker for years now. Well, the first place Cleveland Indians fired their hitting coach after a stretch where they hit as well as we did against the same dominant starting pitching from mid-April through the beginning of May. I guess that will be something of a case study for mid-season changes in the coaching staff. Although a managerial change like Geren or Gonzalez is more significant...but I read where six different hitting or pitching coaches have been fired/resigned in the last couple of weeks. Do you honestly believe Ozzie Guillen is still the best possible manager to maximize the potential of this White Sox team? Let's put it this way....would you wager your house that Ozzie would win the division against my house if I could have anyone not currently managing a major league team as Ozzie's replacement? Of course, there's no way to "prove" (besides computer simulation programs) what would happen if we did have a new manager. And, just to make you happy, I'll remove Torre from my list. In answer to your question, I think Ozzie is as good as any possible manager the Sox hire to replace him.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 19, 2011 -> 11:14 PM) I still don't get why everyone is so hot to get rid of a guy who has averaged about 86 wins a year,won a WS, and had 1 bad year out of 7, for guys like Dave Martinez. If OG fails with this team then there may be some merit to the talk but the season isn't even 1/2 way over yet. Let me know when Martinez and Alomar have 10 wins in the ML much less a .525 win% and over 600 wins. Cause Ozzie is old news. He's been here a long time and people are tired of him. They don't like the fact he calls for the bunt once in a while as all managers do. And they are mad he plays Pierre this year and Kotsay before that. His credentials, however, guarantee he'll have a managing job somewhere until he decides to take up golf everyday.

Konerko is having a sensational season. Man, he's earning the money. Humber is having an amazing season. Pierre scored two runs. He and Omar two hits. Rios another home run. We win.