LDF

damn, we could have really use him now.

i might be wrong on this so i am letting you know. stl next to la and either bos or balt has an almost barren farm system. but i will check and brb.

he is one of my players that i like, how is he rebounding.

ahhhh i think we are talking about a gm who is smarter than kw. but that is a nice thought, if you were a gm, would you want to trade for those players you mention?

i know, i was hoping for a 500 performance from him this yr. btw where is he? i this time i am a little lost. how is he doing?

i know.

white got lit, as pitcher do every so often. maybe it was just not our day to win. again this show where our weakness is.

it goes back to getting help from outside the org. a trade............. but who and what and to which team. there are players out there and maybe can be had. tor doen't want to take a chance of offering arbritation for liddle and escobar. stl and stephson is a tradegy in the making as with o perez from la. you have ponson from balt, which i think will be too expensive, suppan who might be the cheap way to go. oh why couldn't kw go after william and the other pitcher pitt gave away in a the trade earlier this week. again i will ask this, if we give up a good player does this mean we are doing a white flag 2 trade?

either one has to be better than porzio.

i like ginter and hope he helps. but by this, he seems to be better a middle relief. didn't rex said that charlotte didn;t help porzio by making him a starter. does this mean he may be a better rp?

and yes he was a castoff. how many teams thought he would do what he has done? exactly. but kw took a flyer on him anyway. sometimes these things work out, sometimes they don't. but there was little risk involved. look, you are right in saying KW has f***ed up with a lot of trades in the past. but i can't really blame him for daubach. he was relatively cheap, he was a lefty, he was an upgrade from liefer. and now that the trade deadline is here, we can get a better player. yeah but mostly brian d imo has not worked out in our favor. i blame jm for starting brian tonite. i like brian b/c he is a gamer but that is all he is.

i don't know. i asked that same queston about our young arms in the minors. several posters have said that none of them are ready.

sure no prob....... and he might be back but not this yr.

and with that you will not see me saying anthing against you, i am just saying that botch at this time sucks as he has done all yr and the second half of last yr. he might be done for in his career.

and yes he was a castoff. how many teams thought he would do what he has done?

i as i said i was surprise and happy................ so that make how many acquistion that was positive out of how many f*** up he has done?

heh. You slay me LDF. "evertt isn't good, they trade mnr lagurs who I liked and BA liked" You liked the Colon trade, but would now love to see him traded to the Giants. Righto. The whole point I'm trying to make is that your upset at Williams/Manuel, when it is Daubach who isn't swinging the bat well. i never said i wanted to see colon traded to sfo. what i been saying is why is the rumor still there and what would it take to trade colon. in addition if the trade went down, would people still think that is a white flag trade2. look at the post. if you are going to quote me, quote me correctly. i am for trading rowand, garland, clee and mags to sd, mont or even pitts, for pitching that can help us now not for tomorrow. mostly sd. when i see the trade for everett in our favor i will take back what i said. furhtermore, i think we gave way too much for everett. i can see the reasoning for getting him but we gave up too much.

no kw is getting blame for his in ability to get things done in a positive way for the sox, for not getting taken for a ride in any or most trades that he does. we are eating some huge contract in the last what 3 or 4 yrs b/c he, kw thinks he could be a gm. clayton, botch salary. kw is the gm and his job is to get talent for the team. looking in the dumpster for cast off is not doing the job. i had this argument with most of you guys in the beginning.

the 5 starter, porzio starting, white pitching for how many innings, who cares, you were talking about botch being a great gamer and white is not.

i want it all, the playoff and the at the end of the tunnel.

LDF, you said "yes kw should have found another batter. i don't care how. " I am telling you, that any trade or signing he would've made other than Daubach, you would've disliked for one of your crazy reasons. you are full of s*** little one. i like and gave credit to kw for the colon trade, the roberto trade, and i took back what i said about eloo signing. actually what i said about him is that i didn't know anything about him and i will wait and see. so you like kw trades and signing b/c of what, your little naive thoughts?

are you sure with your assessment of white. i mean are you 100% sure?

billy is a gamer, by your defination so is porzio and white. whew, i am glad we know they are gamers.

You don't care how, but would've hammered him on any move he made. Tremendous. who kw?

as a franchise i feel for them and the money situation they are in. i hope they will last. as a org i am i have no prob for them. it just i see the sox f***ing up over here.