Soxy

That's sad. No more putting on the Ritz. . .

My dad gets full blame for this one: Buck Owens

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Dec 13, 2006 -> 11:22 AM) The Arabs don't really give a s*** about the Palastinians, they just use that as an excuse to be terrorist and give some sort of justification for their Israeli hate. If they cared so much, they would have let them emigrate years ago instead of having them live like they do. None of the other Arab countries want them, but Israel should be forced to take them? yeah, right. You do know that Iran isn't an Arab country, right?

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) Yeah, every time you say Christmas Vacation, you should try to remember to say HOLIDAY vacation! Us Jews don't celebrate that crazy holiday. Ah, frak, vacation is just a misnomer anyway. Vaction = same work in a new setting.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) you don't have to change my mind, I believe that same thing. Jesus paid the price, so we don't have to. My point about generational sin is that the price is paid eternally, unfortunately sin still has repercussions that effect in spite of that. we're saying the same thing, I think. Huh, well, theologically, then, that's a first. . .

Didn't see this until today. . . Happy happy Belated birthday!

Well, it's almost Christmas vacation time. And I am completely unmotivated. Anyone have any good ideas to keep motivated?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 03:01 PM) You know ... that's one point I'll give you. Great success! My previous comment wasn't, btw, meant as a jab at you or anything. Don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:56 PM) I'm not familiar with the person of whom you are speaking. I just know I've been looking for this stuff to begin for 20 to 25 years now. There are a whole slew of theories as to how it will come about ... the Illuminati or whatever ... I don't know why or how it will happen, because at this point it is only speculation. But, I do believe it will happen. There's too much smoke for there not be some fire. Christians have been saying that since, well, since Paul (or even the Gospel writer of Mark).

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:43 PM) Certainly the idea of paying for sins isn't something we'd have to argue about. It's a done deal. As far as generational sin, I think that's a real and painful thing. On a theological level, we don't have to deal with it for reasons as stated, but abuse is one of the easiest things to track. It's passed down from one parent to the next. I'm obviously not going to change your mind on this issue (or you mine), but I think the idea of having to pay for sins twice (on earth and, I'm presuming you believe in hell, so there too) is just so incredibly unjust. I just have a hard time envisioning a merciful and just god who would be so sadistic to make us pay for our own sins and those from way before our time.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) This isn't about religion. It's about God and his promises to the patriarch's ... and suddenly, I have a nagging suspician I got some names mixed up earlier .... Isaac, Isreal, Jacab ... not sure what at this point and I'm getting sleepy as can be ... but, anyway ... to the patriarch's, beginning with Abraham. The Catholic church has been, in the past, as evil and as radical as portions of Islam is today. History proves that. So, there is no way I'm taking the stance that the 'church' as it is historically referred to, has anything to do with God. You got the names right. Jacob was the favorite son of Isaac who wrestled with God and got the new name. But wasn't Jesus considered to be the fulfilment of those promises? Doesn't his promise reflect the new covanent that God made with us (consequently negating those previous ones)? Sort of like the Abrahamic covanent was replaced by the Davidic one (it's been a while since I took theology), but I seem to remember there being several different covanents with God and his people, each one overwriting the last. So, basically the new covanent (as celebrated in the eucharist) negates those previous contacts with God.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:31 PM) I actually took a marketing class in high school and we were taught what makes a good ad and what makes a bad ad. Then we got to create our own newspaper, magazine, radio and TV advertisements. Naturally, I've forgotten most of what I learned in that class... Often when I complain about a stupid or annoying commercial I hear the comment, "well the commercial must have worked because you remembered their product!" Which is true, but usually they annoy me so that I make it a point to never buy their product. I'm always amused at the ones that have catchy jingles that I can always remember, but can't remember the actual product it was advertising. Actually, there's a pretty cool memory phenomon that I think the advertising world relies on called the "Mere Exposure Effect." Basically, this effect is that stimuli that have been presented before will be rated as more pleasant than novel stimuli. So, just the exposure to an ad will increase the likelihood that you will purchase that product. Totally unconcious of course, but interesting nonetheless.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:29 PM) well, you're right, it's not. That's works mentality and not Gospel centered at all. I'm not convinced even the works book (James) would argue that there's some sort of inherited sin. Obviously, there's that bit in Matthew, but I think, overall, the view of inherited sin is Old Testament. But I agree, there's really nothing in the Gospel or Pauline tradition that would argue for us paying for old sins.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:23 PM) In the same way that gays, gypsies, etc were being taken away, most of the original protestors of the nazi regime were clergy and other outspoken christian figures. They were the first groups of people that Hitler "discarded" in order to fully implement his propaganda. Actually, the first thing they did was to essentially take over the protestent church in Germany. Which was basically what started Bonhoeffer and his colleagues to start their own little seminary (and which, ultimately, resulted in their own deaths near the end of the wary). Some of the most chilling pictures of World War 2 (for me) are the pictures of the beautiful churches all decked out in swastikas. The Nazis didn't want to quash ALL Christianity, just those who wouldn't bend a knee to them.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:58 PM) Can I be the one to point out that each emerging generation more or less tries to champion the one issue that their parents never seemed to get right, and subsequently, there'll be things that our kids say we're "square" about (probably chicken f***ing) and tell us how we f-ed things up all along? cool. Soxy, you make great examples and each one of those examples relates to a particular generation of people ready to take on an issue yet unable as they age to handle the next big issue. I think at some point a generation must face the social implications of constantly "freeing" our society. Some of your examples, however, do not belong in the same column as others. Roe vs. Wade is not the same thing as Jim Crow laws. Likewise, as many would argue, same sex marriage laws are not the same things as anything you've listed above. My point isn't that we're the "greatest generation." I don't think that generation has existed yet. And, sure, some of the issues in my list were more severe than others. Ultimately my point is that even previous "devout and Christian" generations couldn't follow the examples set forth in the bible or lead particularly "godly" lives with godly policies. I don't think it's much about the role of religion in society as much as it is being willing to look at the mistakes of previous generations and trying to correct them. Simply saying, all this bad stuff is a punishment for previous wrongs doesn't do justice to the people that suffered under those wrongs. We were, I believe, given free will not only so we could choose our own paths, but so that we can guide our society into a better tomorrow. If all these bad things that happen are simply a punishment, we really have no control to make things better or to correct previous wrongs. We're simply stuck in a spiral of paying off our ancestors sins. And that doesn't seem inherently Christian to me (admittedly, I think pre-destination is a crock), we've got to move forward and the best footing we have is laid by the generations before us, but that doesn't mean we're any better than them. We should, though, have a better view than they do. And we have to have faith that the coming generations will have a better view than we do. QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 02:03 PM) Christians were the first to die in the Holocaust, FWIW. Sorry, I forgot the Catholics most especially. What were they being punished for? Most of the Catholics have the guilt thing down enough to punish themselves.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:56 PM) The Civil War was God's way of b**** slapping us for allowing slavery and our policy toward Indians. What's birth control got to do with this? There were no LEGAL abortions happening before RvW and not anywhere near the numbers of abortions. Recontruction, and all that went wrong, was part of us still paying for our national sins. The internment of the Japanese was part of the price they had to pay for their national sins. So, American citizens had to pay for Japanese citizens' sins because they were the same race? It seems like the people that are "paying the price" in all of those examples are the people who had already suffered the most. And, to be fair, isn't the retributive justice type theology much more Jewish than Christian? And, ultimately, what you say doesn't address your previous concern: if we were so Godly before prayer in school was removed, why did we commit so many atrocities when God was still part of American life? And I'd be interested to hear what the Jews, Gypsies, gays and intellectuals were "paying the price for" in the Holocaust. As well as what the Indians were paying for.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 01:36 PM) It's happening right before your eyes and you can't see it. Why didn't faith keep us from the Civil War? Or the poverty in 1930s? Or the introduction of Birth Control (well before the 1960s)? And I can assure you abortions have been happening long before Roe vs Wade. Where was our faith when we were interring the Japanese in the Second world war? Or during all the lynchings during the reconstruction? Where was faith during the Jim Crow laws? Or when child labor was allowed? Or in the rampant discrimination of immigrants in the 19th and early 20th century? Where were our values when we exterminated the Indians? We're just more aware of all the crap stuff that happens now because that is what sells papers.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) that sucks!!! I still have to give two finals this week. Grades are due Friday at 5. Good luck! Now that I have to teach and grade, I can honestly say that I'd rather take the finals than give them and grade them.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:34 AM) but, Thank U is one of the best produced songs I've ever heard. You just liked the video. . . I actually like Supposed Former Infatuations Junkie (that was the second one, right?) better than Jagged Little Pill. Very solid disc.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Dec 12, 2006 -> 11:17 AM) Mock if you choose. Just watch for it. That's all I'm saying. I wasn't mocking you. Actually, Jack has done numerous shows about this in the past. The most recent one I remember was China doing the microchipping. It should be interesting to see the spin, of course, since it's the US and our allies that will be doing the marking since it's supposed to be The Beast imprinting his mark upon people. Most of the others (China, Russia) that have been saying they would do the marking in the past were obvious old "enemies" of the US, but since the US is talking about doing it, should be more interesting this week than others. In a related note, I always feel so bad for their wayward son who gets mentioned nearly every week as being bad and not saved.

Happy Happy Birthday Old Man!

I'll be watching the Jack Van Impe Show this Sunday.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Dec 11, 2006 -> 11:18 PM) I also think that Vertical Horizon's album that made them big is pretty dang good. again, gay. I love Vertical Horizon, but with that album they "jumped the shark" (can you say that for music too?). Running on Ice is one of my favorite cd's (but not a guilty pleasure). For guilty pleasures I have to go with America's Next Top Model (it's truly shameful)

As the owner of a couple of abandoned/unwanted animals, I always give to my local Humane Society.

Peggy Lee Eva Cassidy The Dixie Chicks Tori Amos and I think the Wreakers have made a good start Ani (pre-2002-ish, I'm not a big fan of her newer start) That's all the new additions I can think of to the list.