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Great. Another hater heard from.

Here's a novel idea, Mr. Know-it-All, go thru Prager's list item by item, and refute them.

You haven't factually refuted ANYTHING I have ever posted. Not 1 time!

I never said Israel is alway right! YOU ARE WRONG YET AGAIN!!!!!

I'm not debating. A debate is for the purpose of possibly pursuading your opponant to your way of thinking. You cannot be pursuaded; you are too set in your hateful, bigoted ways. It's like trying to pursuade a klansman to like African-Americans. My purpose is NOT to debate; it's to expose you as an anti-Semite and an anti-Israeli. I have succeeded in both. Adios.

Tell Apu the same thing!!! Close these threads. I don't want to waste anymore time on him.

If you can find your way to Barnes and Noble, look for a book titled "Middle East for Dummies" (right up your alley, Apu!). It is a very simplistic book (again, right up your alley, Apu!), NOT WRITTEN BY A JEW. Totally impartial, very enlightening.

(Re. the 23 insults) Truth hurts, doesn't it? I'd rather rely on the fact that the governments of ISRAEL AND THE US HAVE AGREED THAT THE ATTACK WAS NOT DELIBERATE!!! Your opinion is meaningless and insignificant (as is your existance). Leave me the f*** alone!

Whatever, Apu. Keep on hating Israel and Jews. You are insignificant, so I could not care less what you say or do. (just say and/or do it away from me!). BTW...wasn't there also a massacre in Jenin, that never really happenned, even though "historians" still claim that it did? Hmmmm. Shalom.

Both governments involved "closed the case" based on the information I provided. If that isn't enough, I don't know what else I can do to prove it to you. Israel AND the US were satisfied by the findings of the 10 OFFICIAL US INVESTIGATIONS AND THE 3 OFFICIAL ISRAELI INQUIRIES, but, Apu isn't satisfied, so...let's believe Apu! :headshake

I'm done. I give you historical facts, you counter with opinion. I thought you were educated; an educated person can differentiate between fact and opinion...you obviously cannot. I am done trying to convince you; you are too set in your (bigoted) "thinking" to be swayed therefrom. Keep living your hate-filled life; just keep it (and your inane opinions) away from me.

Apu, if ONE historian found evidence that WWII never occurred, would you believe him too?

There are a helluva lot more Israelis who are sick of living in fear of terrorist attacks. Do a "Google" search on Benny Elon's Peace plan. It is starting to get VERY popular!

Wrong again, Apu. Doesn't it get boring for you to always be wrong? Let's look at this logically, (if your limited brain can handle it!)...IF, in 1967, the US was Israel's ONLY friend/supporter in the world, what would Israel have to gain by deliberatley attacking an American vessel? How could it have possibly benefitted Israel to alienate its ONLY ally? Think about it. THINK!!!

I find it funny that even when one quotes historical facts and data, if you can find one person who dissents, you will believe that person, especially if he is anti-Israel. I bet that if you can find an anti -Semite who believes that 2+2=5, you'd go with that too! Unbelievable. :headshake

It would suck to have Pavano with his 15-5 record on the Sox staff. Why get him when we can have Schoenweiss and/or Garland?

And I quoted you that there were at least 10 US inquiries that exonerated Israel from any wrong doing re. the Liberty.

Sadly, even with the poor money management in Colorado, I would bet that the Rockies are WS contenders way before the Sox are.

No name calling, Steff. Not from me. rolleyeyes.gif

Apu...you have a great future in fiction writing. You write extremely well, but never let the facts get in the way of what you write. Try citing some actual sources to back up your bulls***; it will make you much more credible.

Number of times "Jerusalem" is mentioned in The Torah: Over 700 Number of times "Jerusalem" is mentioned in The Koran: Zero Number of Arab leaders who visited Jerusalem when it was under Arab rule (1948-1967): 1 # of Arab refugees who fled the land that became Israel: Approximately 600,000 # of Jewish rrefugees that fled Arab countries: Approximately 600,000 # of UN agencies that deal ONLY with "Palestinain" refugees: 1 # of UN agencies that deal with ALL other refugees of the world: 1 # of Jewish states that have existed on the land called Palestine: 3 # of Arab or Muslim states that have existed on the land called Palestine: ZERO!!! # of terrorist attacks by Israelis or Jews since 1967: 1 # of terrorist attacks by Arabs or Muslims since 1967: Thousands Percentage of Jews who have praised the Jewish terrorist: .1 Percentage of "Palis" who have prasied Islamic terrorists: Approximately 90% # of Jewish countries: 1 # of Jewish democracies: 1 # of Arab countries: 19 # of Arab democracies: 0 # of Christian or Jewish prayer services allowed in Saudi Arabia: 0 # of Muslim prayer services allowed in Israel: Unlimited. # of Arabs Israel allows to live in Arab settlements in Israel: 1,250,000 # of Jews the PA allows to live in Jewish settlements in the PA: 0 Percentage of UN Commission on Human Rights resolutions condemning an Arab country for human right violations: 0 Percentage of UN Commission on Human Rights resolutions condeming Israel for human rights violations: 26% # of UN Security COuncil resolutions on the Middle East between 1948-1991: 175 # of these against Israel: 97 # of these against an Arab state: 4 # of Arab countries that have been members of the UN Security Council: 16 # of times Israel has been a member of the UN Security Council: 0 # of UN General Assembly resolutions condemning Israel: 322 # of UN General Assembly resolutions condemning an Arab country: 0 Percentage of UN votes in which Arab countries voted with the US in 2002: 16.6 Percentage of UN votes in which Israel voted with the US in 2002: 92.6 Percentage of people who argue that the Jewish state has no right to exist who also believe some other country has no right to exist: 0 Percentage of people who argue that of all the countries in the world, only the Jewish state has no right to exist and yet deny they are anti-Jewish: Approximately 100% # of Muslims in the world: More than 1 Billion # of Muslim demonstations against Islamic terror: Approximately 2 Have a nice day. I4E

If I were GM, I'd build the 2005 Sox around the following players... Buehrle Garcia Contreras Lee Rowand Thomas Maybe Marte, Shingo and Cotts Anyone else could be traded, or let go as free agents. We need to upgrade at C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, RF, 2 starting pitchers, a bullpen, and bench. We need solid defensive players, who are baseball-savvy, know how to run bases, and won't make the mental errors that lose ball games.

I'm gonna be cool this time. No name calling, no accusations. I have the facts and resources to back my claims. If this thread gets shut down, it will be the fault of other antagonists, not mine. Peace. (or should I say, "Shalom"?)

MYTH..."DURING THE 1967 WAR, ISRAEL DELIBERATELY ATTACKED THE USS LIBERTY." FACT...The Israeli attqack on the USS Liberty was a grievous error, largely attributable to the fact that it occurred in the midstof the confusion of a full-scale war in 1967. Ten OFFICIAL US investigations and 3 OFFICIAL Israeli inquiries have all CONCLUSIVELY ESTABLISHED THE ATTACK WAS A TRAGIC MISTAKE. On June 8, 1967, the 4th day of the 6-Day War, the Israeli high command received reports that Israeli troops in El Arish were being fired upon from the sea, presumably by an Egyptian vessel, as they had a day before. The US had announced that it had no Naval forceswithin hundreds of miles of the battle front on the floor of the UN a few days earlier; however, the USS Liberty , an American intelligence ship assigned to monitor the fighting , arrived in the area, 14 miles off the Sinai coast, as a result of a series of US communication failures, whereby messages directing the ship not to approach within 100 miles were not received by the Liberty. The Israelis mistakenly thought this was the ship doing the shelling and war planes and torpedo boats attacked, killing 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Numerous mistakes were made by both the US and Israel. For example, the Liberty was first reported - incorrectly, as it turned out - to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and US) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The day the fighting began, Israel had asked that American ships be removed from its coast or that it be notified of the precise location of US vessels. The 6th Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai. Once the Israelis were sure of what had happenned , they reported the incident to the US embassy in Tel Aviv and offerred to provide helicopters for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. NONE OF ISRAEL'S ACCUSERS CAN EXPLAIN WHY ISRAEL WOULD DELIBERATELY ATTACK AN AMERICAN SHIP AT A TIME WHEN THE US WAS ISRAEL'S ONLY FRIEND AND SUPPORTER IN THE WORLD. Confusion in a long line of communications, which occurred in a tense atmosphere on both the American and Israeli sides (five messages from the Joint Chiefs of Staff for the Liberty to remain at least 25 miles - the last four said 100 miles - off the Egyptian coast arrived after the attack was over) is a more probable explanation. Accidents caused by "friendly fire" are common in wartime. In 1988, the US Navy mistakenly downed an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 civilians. During the Gulf War, 35 of the 148 Americans who died in battle were killed by "friendly fire". In April 1994, 2 US Blackhawk helicopters with large US flags painted on their sides were shot down by US F-15s on a clear day in the "no-fly" zone of Iraq, killiing 26 people. In fact, the day before the Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns south of Jenin on the West Bank. US SECRETARY OF DEFENSE ROBERT McNAMARA TOLD CONGRESS ON JULY 26, 1967: "IT WAS THE CONCLUSION OF THE INVESTIGATORY BODY, HEADED BY THE ADMIRAL OF THE NAVY IN WHOM WE HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE, THAT THE ATTACK WAS NOT INTENTIONAL." In 1987, McNamara repeated his belief that the attack was a mistake, telling a caller on "The Larry King Show" that he had seen nothing in the 20 years since to change his mind that there had been no "coverup". Israel apologized for the tragedy and paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian reparations to the US and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the US State Department. THE MATTER WAS OFFICIALLY CLOSED BETWEEN THE 2 GOVERNMENTS BY AN EXCHANGE OF DIPLOMATIC NOTES ON DECEMBER 17, 1987. Myths and Facts...A Guide to the Arab-Israeli Conflict, Mitchell G. Bard, 2001, pp. 90-93