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QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 01:26 PM) Keith, you're right about some of the Hawks dogging it but QP suggesting that it happens alot more often is false. Watching the NHL and seeing games like when the Hawks played the Preds, were even exciting after the altercations between players like Ruutu and Legwand. They play with heart, and Nuke, never did I say Amonte was the sole reason the Hakws lost but saying the Hawks ran into a hot goalie :headshake. It was BRENT JOHNSON, who, didnt have a job last season and went 5 and 5 in the playoffs, and yes, that was TA's last year with the Hawks. He was a +1 with 1 assist in 5 games, no goals on 10 shots. His point totals have actually been on the decline since 2000. He played on the THIRD line with Handzus and a mix of Kapanen and Gagne. Winning is now on the minds of Blackhawk management, and also about Zhamnov being called a pussy, he's barely 6 feet tall (although listed at 6'1) and not retaliating and trying to be a hard ass to protect other players is an awful judge of a player. Zhamnov was a classy player and the enforcer job was left up to such players as Vandenbussche and Probert when he was with the team. Now the grinding Larmer like players (Bell, Calder, Ruutu) are taking over the leadership roles and are coming into their own on offense. All three scored 20 goals last season and I wouldnt be surprised to see two of them reach the 30 goal plateau. So basically, Wirtz as an owner sucks, but to suggest that you are not a fan because of the trades of three players and declining performance have me to believe that WHEN they become good again you will be the first to jump back on the bandwagon, the same type of fans me as a Sox fan, can do without, fair weather fans. Just to clarify. I am not a fair weather fan. That's just as insulting as it's inacurate. I'm a disgruntled fan who has a legitimate gripe after all that has happened in the last 10 years ( It has taken me that long to finally say enough is enough I'm not going anymore). Win or lose I dont care but I will never go to another game as long as Bill Wirtz owns that team because as long as he's around all you're gonna get is the same old snowjob. Rookies will develop and become stars and then they will all skip town when they enter their prime because Dollar Bill wont pay them. Additionally, Dollar Bill will continue to make lowball offers to high quality veterans that can help the team win then lie to the fans saying "I tried to sign him but......". Its the same old song thats been playing for years now and it's not going to change anytime soon. The Blackhawks have become a farm system for the rest of the NHL under Dollar Bill's sterlingleadership. You say winning is on the minds of Hawk management? I spit soda on my computer when I read that. Winning is never on the mind of this organization only the accumulation of money. Their actions over the last few years as I have outlined them make this patently clear. They cleared out a lot of dead weight by getting rid of Korolev, Floppy and Zhamnov ( all of those moves were painfully necessary to be sure ) recently and what did they do with all that money? The money went straight into Bill Wirtz's pockets Salaries of dead weight players: Karpotsev: 3.1 Million Korolev: 1.7 million Sullivan: 3 million Zhamnov: 4.5 million That's 12.3 million in payroll slashed in the last year before the strike from an already lowball 31 million dollar payroll the last active season. What has been done with that money? For that matter what has been done with all the money slashed from the payroll since the last playoff season in '01/'02 when their payroll was 41.5 million? Is there any wonder why this team sucks ass? Is there any wonder why this team was named the worst run franchise in pro sports? Here's a tip. That's YOUR ticket money going into Dollar Bill Wirtz's pockets and he's laughing at you the fans who still bother to show up and he is laughing even harder at those who still talk about being loyal to the team even as he screws you over year after year. Loyalty works 2 ways and the fans get NONE. I will be a Hawks fan again when they demonstrably show that they care about winning. Until such time as that happens the Wolves are going to get my hockey dollar and Bill Wirtz can kiss my ass.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 08:08 AM) RIP EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another one stealing my catch phrases. Lets go down to SD and pound the hell out of the surfer dudes with the rediculous camoflauge uniforms. RIP EM!!!!!

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 05:36 PM) I'm sure glad he's using the slider. Anything to get rid of his hanging change ups. you've got to give Neal props, he's earning every penny he's being paid I've been one of the biggest bashers of Neil Cotts since he showed up in the bigs but I have to give the man some credit as he's become quite a force in the middle relief role as of late. Hopefully he can keep it going.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 09:38 PM) I luv it. Not including immediate family, I wonder how many t-shirts they've sold... I'm sure there are more than a few moron flub fans who bought one on impulse once this garbage website got a mention on talk radio.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) Just ignore them...they'll go away. Bunch of small-mided punks without anything better to do. I can't wait to see the first guy wearing a "heave the hawk" t-shirt to The Cell. It probably won't be one of the guys running that site. Them seem like cowards, hiding their faces and all. To them I say... :finger If anyone ever showed up to the Cell wearing a shirt like that they'd probably get "heaved" into a trash can face first.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) www.heavethehawk.com Somebody wanting to fire Hawk for some reason.. prolly a damn scrub fan!! I think Jay Mariotti has been taking web design classes in his spare time.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 11:20 AM) Welcome to Soxtalk.. That is how it is here.. If you don't go along with what the majority is saying they jump down your throat. And what ever you do never ever, tell them the truth about a player or/coach or/GM.. on the Sox... Most here live in the MVP 2005 world..Its a sad state... That's not true at all. I am the best proof of that.

QUOTE(TheDybber @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 09:16 AM) J Dye CWS OF 10 27 .260 He's still striking out too much, but I think he's made a pretty good comeback over the last month. Look out for the second half of the season. I may be a Dye hater but I have to give credit where credit is due. He's turned it around big time.

QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 02:12 AM) In the last 3 games the Pad's have scored a total of 1 run. I hope the trend continues Against Garland, MB and Garcia Id say we have as good a chance as possible of making that happen.

QUOTE(Nokona @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:46 PM) The sad thing is it took more over 10 seconds to think about this one. 5 Bucks is like lunch. Sweet. I was thinking the exact same thing.

QUOTE(Pauly8509CWS @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 10:54 PM) Nuke, you must have been some Hawks fan... mentioning that the "final straw" was when they let Amonte go. Amonte SUCKED in the playoffs in his contract year. He had a chance to prove himself and could not do it. People talk about wanting winners and guys who can come through when it counts. TA COULDNT. I was at the playoff games against the Blues and he had plenty of opportunities to score goals. Set up by "that pussy" Zhamnov, who is a very talented player. Although I didnt agree with the Roenick deal, Zhamnov isnt as bad as you Hawk "fans" think. Basically, if letting TA go was a big hit to being a fan, then you really werent a fan at all. Because you would have known that Amonte was offered what he was worth and rejected so then he basically became a 3rd liner in Philly. If watching "superstars" like Steve Maltais, who flirted with NHL teams before they realized that he was a GAY (goal a year) player, then by all means go support the Wolves. Yeah, I was a really big Hawks fan. You know, the kind that went to 10 or 15 games a year even though I was in High School and had classes starting at 7:30 the next morning or paying my own way through college and really couldn't afford it. The games I didn't go to I never missed on TV even though I had a lot to do. First of all The Hawks didn't make the playoffs in Amonte's contract year, it was the year prior to that. Add to that the fact that the team as a whole scored 5 goals in as many games that series and got shutout 3 times. To say Amonte blew it in that series is totally not right. We ran up against a hot goaltender with a strong defense in front of him. With few real scoring threats on the 2nd 3rd and 4th lines its easy for other teams to key in on the first line and shut it down. On to Zhamnov there are many reasons why I call him a pussy. Its not even that he's hurt all the time for one reason or another because a fair portion of it ( like when he got hit in the throat with a puck ) was hard luck. What really burns me up about him is I have seen many times when one of his line mates will just get railroaded into the boards and the little fairy will skate on by like nothing happened. Either that or someone would take a blatant run at him and he'd just stagger to his feet and skate away only to have it happen again on the next shift. Amonte was not a 3rd liner on Philly, he played on the second line with JR and LeClair. Also, its not hard to see how he would have trouble moving up the depth chart as those Philly teams were totally stacked. Losing TA wasn't the only reason I stopped being a Hawks fan it is one of a great many, that just happened to be the final straw as he was the closest thing to a star the team had and they cut him loose over.......drum roll please.....money. Then comes my favorite part where they brought over that crackhead Theoren Fleury and had the balls to tell the fans everything would be alright as he'd replace Amonte's scoring. They knew damn well that guy was a train wreck waiting to happen so they stuck a clause in his contract so they didn't have to pay him if he messed up and sure enough he crashed and Dollar Bill pocketed the cash. Total f***ing snowjob on the fans. Dollar Bill Wirtz has been screwing the fans over for as long as I can remember and long before I was born. Why'd they trade Roenick? They didn't want to pay him. Why'd they trade Belfour? They didn't want to pay him. Like I said in an earlier post, all this guy cares about is making money. Winning is not a concern at all. It surprises me how he can blatantly screw the fans over and still attract enough suckers to the rink to make money. As long as this guy is running the show the only thing the few Hawks fans who still are remaining have to look forward to is more losing seasons and more players being shipped out of town when they ask for what they're worth. I refuse to subsidize that with my hard earned money. Are the Wolves the greatest team in all of Hockey? Of course not. However, they actually win games, they keep the fans happy and they don't rape your wallet every time you show up.

With all the horses*** Moronatti writes in his columns it was only a matter of time before someone prominent teed off on his sorry ass. This should be very interesting indeed. So typical of Kotex boy though, he can dish it out but he runs to the lawyer when someone gives it back to him.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 9, 2005 -> 12:05 AM) Nuke, I bet you have about 20-30 pics of that same teeball stand in your attachments page. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?ac...rCP&CODE=attach Its on there a few times but I haven't had to use it a whole lot this season.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 10:53 PM) Nuke, how about the t-ball stand in here? I miss seeing that all the time.... Without Felix Diaz around I really havent had much chance to use it this season. ( really good thing! ) However. This one's just for you.

Come on people f***ing play nice. We win by 10 runs and people are still brawling. None of this is called for. I like to shoot my mouth off but this is getting annoying even for me.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) Does that cost Duque the win? He left with the score 5-4. Scotty NOOO

Dingo gets Dinged Jesus hes terrible.

Do they have a slaughter rule in MLB? This just aint fair. LOL!!! THEY'RE CHANTING "FRANK FRANK FRANK" IN COLORADO BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(drowninginflame @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 10:14 PM) I know the rockies aren't the best team in the universe, but I hope this is that spark we've all been waiting for. Everyone is looking good right now. It's awesome. If we can't hit here we can't hit anywhere. Nice to see us get a laugher going into an offday though.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) Didn't stuff up the third game today did he. That's hard to do against Colorado.

You can have it. I dont feel like waiting around for the finish either. WE RULE THEY SUCK MORE CREDIT TO GO AROUND THAN I FEEL LIKE WRITING NAMES FOR SO TO THE WHOLE TEAM. EAT s*** MOTHERf***ERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(ScottPodRulez22 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) why not let politte finish it? No reason to waste Politte here when you have Jizzcan and Shingo to mop up in garbage time.

Politte is a monster at the plate, he can run the bases better than anyone and he's lights out on the mound. He should be the starter AND the DH.

QUOTE(whitesox91403 @ Jun 8, 2005 -> 09:46 PM) Finally, a 5 run inning Make it 6 AROW with another hit.

THATS WHAT IM f***ING TALKING ABOUT!!!!! DEAD HAS 2 THROWN AT HIS HEAD BUT HE HANGS IN THERE AND MAKES HIM PAY!!! 6-4