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QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Trying to be completely honest... Here's what this armchair GM's roster would look like if he took over after after '04. SP Buehrle Garland Contreras McCarthy Whatever prospect that I got from the Carlos Lee salary dump DH -- Thome or Delgado C -- Pierzynski -- Fell into the Sox lap when we didn't have any other option. 1B -- Kong 2B -- Polanco or Orlando Hudson SS -- Uribe 3B -- Crede (who would have been signed long term prior to the '06 season) RF -- Dye CF -- Young/Anderson (prior to the Vazquez trade, I thought we should keep Anderson for a year, trade him to make room for Young. The poor season would have hurt his value. I still think there were 5 teams that would have loved to have him last off-season, but I don't know if I would have given him up for what they were offering) LF -- Milledge (Garcia trade last deadline) Bench Gload Mack Cintron Ozuna Hall The bullpen is where I'd be completely different. I can't even tell you who I'd have down there aside from Jenks. I know I wouldn't have made the Thornton or MacDougal trades. The bullpen probably would be a liability if I was GM. I'm 90% sure we wouldn't have won a world series. We probably wouldn't have won almost 190 games the last two year, but we might have won more. Who knows. PUKING MY BRAINS OUT after reading this post. That roster sucks.
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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Anderson was a first round pick. Anderson had a minor league OPS of .861. Now you're questioning Kenny Williams, too, BTW. Kenny Williams traded Chris Young because he was sooooo confident in Brian Anderson. The talent is there, that's obvious to anyone. Talent to become an All-Star? Probably not. But talent to become a .260/.330/.430 (pessimistic ceiling, BTW) player, which, combined with his defense, would be fine. Oh, okay, so Erstad gets excuses for why he's been a heaping pile of suck so far this year. You just let me know when poor Darin has had enough time to get nice and comfy. Spring Training numbers mean little to nothing to me. Ozzie said the CF job would be on the line. It clearly wasn't, because if it was, Anderson would be playing every day right now seeing that he was the better baseball player in ST. What have you been watching? Erstad so far this season has been MUCH worse than Anderson's full season last year. For God's sakes his OPS+ coming into today was 39. You're right -- he proved this 700 ABs ago. Since then... not so much. In this case KW was wrong. In my eyes. We will now by June. I would like to see that quote by Ozzie. Erstad's April is equal to Anderson's April of last year and Erstad has not played in about a year. If he is still hitting this way by the end of June I will be shocked. If Anderson was I would be like, oh well, we knew what we were getting. If Anderson could duplicate Erstad's complete healthy years it would be great. I don't think he ever will. I don't think he has the ability to. I don't know what you see in Anderson to even give him a chance. Did you like McCarthy when you had him as well? I didn't and I was glad to see him go.
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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, damn those homers. We need more hitting to the right side, more 4-3 putouts. I'll give you that -- Erstad is AWESOME at those. I'll answer the question that you've wanted answered, ie why should Anderson start over Erstad. Here are my reasons -- whether or not you choose to 'accept' them is your call. a.) Young players tend to improve, old players (over 32) tend to decline. This is a general rule of thumb. I look at Erstad and Andersonand see two players who, if both (hypothetically) given the exact same number of at-bats, would probably put up similar numbers. Anderson would hit for more power, Erstad would hit for higher average. The difference, of course, is that if Anderson were our everyday CFer, he'd be hitting ninth, rather than first. And nine times out of ten, I'm going with the younger player. b.) This offseason is a big winter, one where there are TWO clear CF upgrades on the market in Ichiro! and Andruw Jones. KW has expressed interest in Jones in the past (almost traded Maggs for him and maybe Russ Ortiz, IIRC). Ichiro! is obvious -- I think that the drooling over Erstad is bad, but the drooling over Ichiro! would be ten times worse. At least he's a good player, though. Anyways -- if the Sox were to give Anderson 450-500 ABs this season, he would have close to 1000 ABs at the major league level. At that point, I think it would be fair to make a decision on Anderson's future as a White Sock. c.) This doesn't address the question, but you say that Anderson looks overmatched. He was told prior to Spring Training -- or at least, this was said in the papers -- that he would 'compete' for the CF spot. He outplayed Erstad in Spring Training, with a similar batting average but much better OBP and SLG% numbers. Anderson looked decent in Spring Training, and has since been relegated to the bench. d.) In Erstad's last 150 (ish) ABs, he's putting up a line right around .215/.270/.310. Slice it any way you want -- that's not good. That's worse than Anderon last year -- much worse, in fact, and that's hard to do. a.) they tend to improve according to their abilties. You are assuming that Anderson has more ability than Erstad, or at least the same. I don't see that. I don't see him as anything more than a good defensive player. b.) I agree get Andruw Jones if Atlanta doesn't re-sign him. c.) Maybe he was told that before they acquired Erstad. Erstad needs time to get back into form since he was off the entire year last year, for the most part. d.) I don't count spring training ABs. I don't know why you do. His ABs this regular season compare to what BA did at this point last season. Erstad has proved that, when healthy, he can play in the majors - that includes offensively and defensively. Anderson has not. I will take the proven veteran over the proven sucky young player with little upside every time. QUOTE(Craig Grebeck @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Erstad would be the worst corner OF in the history of the game. what? Worse than Scott Podsednik? Wow! QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> BA Post-ASB: .257/.301/.393/.694 Any reason he can't duplicate his own numbers from last year with more experience? For s***s and giggles, here's what he did last year with a man on 3rd, less than 2 outs: .353/.391/.588/.979 "Close and late" .256/.304/.372/.676 2nd and 3rd .500/.538/.900/1.438 That's nice. Anyone can pull stats on any player in a given situation to make a case for them. You can skew the stats anyway you like. That's great.
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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He can't duplicate a 74 OPS? Check out that 1999 season. I'm pretty sure Anderson could duplicate that. How about a 78 OPS+? 88 OPS+? I imagine Anderson will achieve numbers close to those at some point within the next 6 years. Part of me wants to see Erstad keep this up so the team can be successful. The other part wants him to tank hard so the Sox actually go get a CFer. I'm done arguing whose poop smells better, because quite frankly, all poop smells like s***. If you think he can then you hold Anderson in a much higher regard than I do. Regardless of what Erstad does this season I think they will get a CFer next year. They LOVE Andruw Jones and I think they will pay him if he doesn't re-sign with Atlanta. They will go after him pretty good. Erstad could then play LF next year if his option is picked up. I don't want them to have to go after a CFer this year. I don't even know who would be available that I would want. I would rather have Philly continue to struggle so we could try to pry Jimmy Rollins away from them. I don't know what they would want but I would like to have him on the White Sox.
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QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Erstad has had one good year since 2000. How much more time do we give him before evaluating? Oh, and Anderson could probably match his 1999 season pretty well. His OBP and SLG were close last year. If BA could match any of his healthy seasons I would love to see him play. I doubt the guy can. I don't think he can match any of Erstad's healthy seasons. Since 2000? I would love to see BA match Erstad's 02, 04, or 05 seasons. If he could do that I would let him play. I don't think he can. Can he hit more HRs? Possibly, but I am not looking for Erstad to hit HRs. We have enough HR hitters in our lineup.
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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> First of all, I've been unhappy with the Erstad signing since day 1. When the Sox were even rumored to be after him, I've been pissed. So it has nothing to do with his April; all his April has done is support my claim. Secondly, you can't seriously be comparing a rookie starting in CF to a 12 year veteran, can you? Anderson sucked, but Erstad's been around the blcok a few times. And as far as I'm concerned, that argument is over. Anderson was superiorly s***ty last year; big f'ing deal. I want them both gone at this point, because Anderson's never going to get a chance to start, and Erstad hasn't had a respectable season since 2004. Erstad is coming back from having a year off. Give him time. Yes, I am comparing a 2nd year player to a 12 year player. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by going with this year's Erstad stats to last year's Anderson's stats. Would you rather go by Anderson's rookie year compared to Erstad's? How about any of Erstad's first 7 years? Do think Anderson could equal any of them? I don't. QUOTE(max power @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do you really think that Erstad would outperform Anderson against lefties? I just don't understand why both players play can't get some playing time -then we could tell who is the better performer instead of arguing about it. Instead he just sits on the bench as somewhat of an unknown. Yes. Anderson is terrible with the bat. He looks absolutely s***ty. I would rather he went down in the minors. We saw Anderson play last year. I want to see Erstad play this year.
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QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He hit over .300 for a month last year, and close to it for another month. If he's not getting regular playing time in the majors, he needs to be in the minors. But eventually, you've gotta step up and prove that you can hit major league pitching. It takes some time -- not everyone can come up and do it right out of the gate while being platooned and facing lefties like Johan and C.C. He hit .200 or under in every other month. He can't hit major league pitching consistently.He still struck out 26 times in that period. That is more than Uribe in less at-bats. You can't have both Uribe and Anderson striking out that much at the bottom of the order. Someone has to put the ball in play.
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Anderson has turned into the White Sox's version of the Bears backup QB. I can understand the argument for not batting Erstad leadoff. I can understand the argument that you want to keep the guy healthy and give him some days off. However, I still can't see the argument for replacing Erstad with Anderson. No one has ever made a good argument for that on this board, but yet people still want to see Anderson replace Erstad.
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QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 24, 2007 -> 12:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So why not try to develop the one who could be a future for your team instead of the one who's probably going to get injured at some point during the season if he keeps playing this much? If Erstad were hitting even decently (.250), there wouldn't be too much argument. But he's looked brutal at the plate. He has zero power. Almost everything is a soft grounder. His spray charts look like a big blob near the 2B. He's done well in the field, but his age and slower speed have shown a few times. Anderson hasn't looked good at the plate, but he sees pitching once every six or seven days. Hard to improve when you're playing that irregularly. His lackadaisical play in the outfield was definitely a big blow against him yesterday, though. That was the absolute last thing he needed to do at this point. It comes down to the sad fact that the Sox don't have a decent starting CF, and they are forced to play a 4th OF and a struggling young player. So you want him in the minors developing? OK I will go for that. I don't think you develop a young player at the major league level on a playoff caliber team. Anderson has never looked good at the plate at the major league level. He is very good defensively. That is it, that is it, THAT IS IT! That is all he has ever done.
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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why are you using Anderson's average in comparison? He's had 11 PAs this year. Why are you using Erstad's April for a comparison as to what he normally does when healthy? He barely played last year. Don't you think he is shaking off a little rust? Don't you think he needs a little time? Do you want to compare Anderson's 2006 April to Erstad's April? Anderson - 62 ABs, 9 runs, 10 hits, 2 doubles, 2 HRs, 6 RBI, 9 BB, 22 Ks, 2 SBs, .161 Avg,, .264 OBP, .290 SLG, .554 OPS Erstad - 64 ABs, 5 runs, 13 hits, 0 doubles, 1 HR, 5 RBI, 5 BB, 9 Ks, 4 SB, .203 Avg, .254 OBP, .250 SLG, .507 OPS Pretty equal and Erstad has 6 more games to improve on those numbers. If everything is equal why would you take a younger player over a vet? I think you are overestimating Anderson's ceiling and you think he is all-star caliber if you want him to play over a vet. I don't see it.
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QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well you keep telling us how good a healthy Erstad is, and so far a healthy Erstad looks like s***. Erstad's numbers this year are worse than that guy GETTING THE SHAFT's numbers last April. Erstad sucks and needs time off. That's why you don't play him. HOW GOOD? I DO? WHERE? I am only stating that he is BETTER than Brian Anderson and has proved it. He is not a downgrade in defense, and is not a liability with the bat. Anderson is. Erstad knows how to hit in certain situations, Anderson can't hit in any situation. That is all I am saying. You want to give him time off? Fine, that is understandable. You don't want him leading off, fine that is understandable. But to make an argument to replace him with Anderson, I don't see it. I don't understand how that helps this team become better right now. Please tell me how that makes our team better RIGHT NOW!
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QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm sorry, but how isn't Grinderstad healthy right now? Who said he wasn't healthy? Why do you want a guy batting .111 to replace a guy that is batting .206? For what purpose? He isn't that much of an upgrade defensively, if at all, over Erstad. So while Erstad is healthy, why not play him. Erstad is a veteran who knows how to hit in certain situations, can bunt, and can move the runner over, and makes contact consistently. BA has not shown that he knows how to do anything with the bat. I really don't understand how starting BA over Erstad helps this team. I don't understand that argument at all.
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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think he's referring to the resigning of Scott Podsednik, which has to be looked at as KW's worst move of the winter. How so? Other GMs were throwing 5-7.5 million at similar players. Kenny re-signed the same type of player for at least 2 million less than the going rate. He was off to a great start and is injured. Injuries are KW's fault? Since when? He had a backup plan in place in case the guy got injured and we are seeing that now and not missing a beat. That is all you can ask your GM to do. KW has made unbelievable moves this offseason and has put this team in a great position to succeed with the revamped bullpen and the re-signing of Javier Vazquez. All you couch GM's suck balls.
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QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 22, 2007 -> 12:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah -- a game like today tells you all you need to know about where Anderson resides in Guillen's mind right now. A lefty on the mound with Erstad looking like total ass at the plate lately (even with the two hit game -- those two hits couldn't have been hit in more perfect spots). Ozzie's reasoning for not wanting Anderson in the game today? He didn't want Anderson and Molina starting in the same game. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Even if Ozzie wants to use the bulls*** lines like, "Erstad is doing the little things well" -- is Erstad going to do his "little-things" in the seven spot? Hitting behind Crede? Sorry... I'm not buying it. It'd be one thing if Erstad was looking good at the plate, ie hitting some balls hard and getting unlucky, but that's not the case. He looks awful at the plate -- I'm sure a lot of people saw his AB vs Zumaya today, right? That was probably the most embarrassing AB I've seen this year. Zumaya didn't even throw his breaking ball and Erstad looked pathetic. I'd almost go so far as to say that he's lucky to be hitting .170 right now. If this were any other player, Ozzie would've definitely given the guy a day off. But at this point it seems like he's trying to prove a point rather than doing what's best for the team. This situation is absolutely f***ing ridiculous. There's no reason why Anderson isn't playing CF for the Knights everyday (he should be playing CF for the Sox, but I digress) with Terrero up here on the bench. Can you please tell me why you would want Anderson in there over a healthy Erstad? Erstad is a solid if not plus defensive CF. It is not like he is Mackowiak or Carl Everett out there. Erstad does more for this team at the plate than Brian Anderson can and that is a fact. You are not downgrading much defensively but you are improving tremendously at the plate. I don't understand the argument for BA against a healthy Erstad. I really don't. Please explain. I will give you that BA should be down starting in CF for the knights and we can call him up if we need a CF replacement, but I do not want him starting over a healthy Erstad ever.
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QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Apr 23, 2007 -> 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was at the game tonight and his velocity is slowly climbing, as some expected/predicted. Consistently 95-96 on the gun, which is a legit reading. A few 94's. Sisco and MacDougal were both geeked up to face the former teams, especially Sisco. Jeremy was throwing 94-95 and Mike 95-96, which is the hardest each has thrown this season (that I've seen). Erstad also is starting to get dialed in...the RBI single up the middle was the hardest hit ball on the night, and he also hit a liner to CF that was caught. By the way, Jermaine really should have had that ball in the 9th inning. He looks very slow out there...I think we'll see Mackowiak moving over there and Anderson in LF more and more frequently. Would be nice to take out Brian Bannister, who really struggled in the spring after being expected to make the Royals' rotation as the #4 or 5. And the Royals' bullpen really is a mess. This is the right time to be playing them, despite their 2/3 against the Twins this weekend. Most impressive thing was that the White Sox came back twice against Meche. Lowlight was Sisco's wildness and Matt Thornton continuing to struggle, although he did get the final out in the 8th to keep the White Sox from picking up their 6th blown save in 18 games. To me it looked like Dye lost the ball in the lights mid dive the way he turned his head. I really doubt Mack moves out there for Dye. Dye has never looked fast, ever, but he gets to a lot of balls. He has a long stride, he is 6'5". As far as Erstad goes, he has been hitting good for a while now. He has been smacking line drives for about a week or so, unfortunately just at people. The last couple of days those hard line drives have been hits instead of outs. He is going to be a damn good pick up for this team if healthy.
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QUOTE(Texsox @ Apr 18, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_...7JPzJjkaosuQE4F Not that it makes any difference at all, but how old is the daughter that was kicked out of the vehicle? -
QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wrong. The back is a major concern. Joe could have had surgery on the back this season, but decided against it. So far this season, he has been awful at the plate, not even recording an Xtra base hit. Not very encouraging. And sorry, but he isn't close to being a "Top 5" 3rd basemen. To start. Alex Rodriguez Miguel Cabrera David Wright Ryan Zimmerman Scott Rolen Chipper Jones Eric Chávez Garrett Atkins Aramis Ramírez You could then make arguments for guys like Glaus, Mora, Tracy, even a guy like Inge. I would say he is ahead of all of these guys: Scott Rolen Chipper Jones Eric Chávez Garrett Atkins Aramis Ramírez Glaus Mora Tracy Inge based on his offense and defense. That would make him top 5. I haven't seen much of Zimmerman to base an opinion, but his stats are impressive.
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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He's also had an OBP of .367 and .369 in his past two seasons. Or do you just not count those? His OBP over his past 1206 PAs is .359. How do you disqualify that? How about an .853 OPS over the same time period? He's good, and about 150 to 200 points of OPS better than Podsednik. Even playing solely against RHP, he'd be an amazing LFer for the White Sox. Nixon cost $1 mill and is putting up a .292/.370/.417/.787 line thus far. Guess what other OFer cost $1 mill? He's hitting .156, if that helps you figure it out. What out of 2 out of 6 did you not understand? Those .367 and .369 are the only ones in the past 6 years. Nixon cost 3 million and will be hurt soon, as he always is every season. Nice try though. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wow. YIKES! QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You've never seen him hit poorly in the 1 spot. 1 spot and 6-8 spots are much different. So you are saying that we must see it in order to believe that he will or won't hit in the 1 spot? OK, I will go for that, but how long do you give him if he isn't hitting in that spot? QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I hate using career numbers, but Delluci's career OPS+ is 103 to Podsednik's 89 and Erstad's 96. If you use three year splits, a much better indicator of what these players will do going forward, the scales tip heavily on Delluci's favor. Nixon crushes righties -- something that Podsednik or Erstad don't do. His OPS borders .900 (vs righties) over his career, a .150 point increase over our current (DLed) LFer. He also came on a cheap one year deal. He would've been a perfect fit. Who cares if he can't hit lefties? Neither can Erstad nor Podsednik. BTW -- there is no indication that guys hit better/worse in different spots. You're talking like Iguchi would just crumble under the pressure of having to go from hitting second to first. When he gets 500 ABs in the one spot and has a .300 OBP, then you can (start) to talk about him not being a capable leadoff man. Until then... You are right. It is all hearsay. Just as you think he would hit great in the leadoff spot I think he will hit poorly. He has proven to be a poor hitter in every other slot but 2nd. You could be right about him being a great leadoff hitter and I could be right that he would suck. My guess is that neither of us will ever know.
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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What exactly is wrong with David Dellucci? He's a high OBP hitter who gets out of the box quick with decent speed, he would have to be platooned but the guy stays healthy and produces. That is better than anything this team has right now. And Trot Nixon in LF with Iguchi leading off would be far more potent an offensive punch than anything the Sox currently have. Iguchi is a solid .350 OBP guy with good speed, which of those 2 is incorrect? His extra base hits could also be incredibly valuable out of the leadoff spot, you don't have to steal second if you're already there. Plus he still has some decent upside considering the tools he displayed in Japan. I'd take a .350-.360 OBP and 20 SB at a high success rate from Iguchi than any of the other options on this club. Iguchi, Mackowiak, Thome, Konerko, Dye, Crede, Pierzynski, Uribe, Anderson would be a nice lineup. There's others but I don't care much to continue with this, since the Sox do have a pretty decent in house option right now but if you'd like you can do a quick google search of my posts and I'm sure you'd find some pretty good names from the countless threads we had on this subject over the offseason. His OBP in 2005 was .342, in 2006 .352, this year .317. .350 OBP would be incorrect. He has decent speed, not good, decent. You would be incorrect. Google search this homie. If you can't answer with those names now then f*** it. I gave you the opportunity to back it up. You can't or decide not to then that is your problem, not mine. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No, he was moved down specifically to be given the chance to hit for more power and drive the ball more. Going from 2 to 1 is nothing of that sort. So you are saying he is losing his OBP because he has to hit for more power? H-O-R-S-E-S-H-I-T! You have never seen him hit well in any slot other than #2 because that is all he has done.
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QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You know, at some point, it does become about the numbers, and you clearly aren't looking at them at all. Nixon and Dellucci are the same thing as the Sox already have? No, you're being ignorant. They are better? How so? Dellucci has an on-base percentage of .350 or better twice in the last 6 years. His career batting average is .262. He had one season where he hit 29 home runs, but hasn't ever come close to that before. You are overvaluing him I believe. Nixon is always hurt and can't hit lefthanders. How exactly are they better? Maybe the grass is always greener for you. QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What? All he has to do is hit exactly like he does in the 2-slot and he'll be a better leadoff man than Pods. That is all he has to do in the 8-slot and he will be better as well. However, he hasn't. The only slot he has ever hit well in is the #2 slot. QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He is also a .288 hitter in his first 2+ years with RISP as well as a .302 hitter with RISP and 2 outs. Pods over that same stretch is a .247 hitter with RISP and a .248 hitter with RISP and 2 out. Iguchi wasn't very good with RISP his rookie season, however he was phenomenal his 2nd year. But, if this is the case, wouldn't you want him in a run producing position instead of a leadoff position?
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QUOTE(SoxFanForever @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In Iguchi's first two years in the league his OBP was .342 and .352. Pods was .351 and .330 in those two years. Iguchi can get on base just as much, if not more than Pods. In the last two seasons Pods SB% has been 71% and 67%. Iguchi's is 75% and 68% (albeit he attempted less bags). Iguchi can perform just as good of a job if not better than what Pods has given us the last two years. Also, he doesn't hurt his groin constantly. Who said Pods was a high OBP guy? I highly doubt Iguchi would be a good leadoff man. In fact I don't believe he can hit anywhere else in the lineup besides #2. He hasn't proven that he can.
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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's still flawed logic though, even if Ozzie wants a speedy leadoff guy he has a player pretty close to that in Iguchi. But even on top of that, Oz needs to realize that players like that don't come cheaply and the one in house option they had (pods) was not a very good bet to give you much this season. At some point in his career Ozzie is going to have to think outside the box if he wants to win again because if we are to assume that he was demanding a speedy player atop his order this season he was hurting the team in doing so. It is kind of funny though, Oz wants a speed guy to lead his lineup instead of a high OBP type player and now do to this stubbornness he has neither. Since when is Iguchi speedy or high OBP? I don't get it. Plus, I read the whole thing, and you never mentioned who you wanted. Nixon and Delluci is better than what we have now or are they the same? You would pay more for the same thing we already have? Please give some better ideas than that and don't just say someone did a horrible job but then have no solution or other option. The only way he did a horrible job is if he had another better option and didn't get it done, which I can't see. However, I will give you my solution. Trade prospects to TB for Baldelli - it should be reasonable. Then go out and try to get Adam Dunn from Cincy. I am sure we can strike a deal in both cases and it would help our offense tremendously. Adam Dunn should be a salary dump for the Reds, but I have no idea what they need. We could then start an outfield of Dunn in LF, Baldelli in CF, and Dye in RF and have a much better lineup: CF Baldelli Righty 2B Iguchi Righty DH Thome Lety 1B Konerko Righty RF Dye Righty LF Dunn Lefty 3B Crede Righty C Pierzynski Lefty SS Uribe Righty You then have Ozuna, Pods, Erstad, Mack, Cintron, and Hall on the bench. Send BA down to get him some consistent playing time. Maybe release Pods instear. Hell, I don't care. GET ER DONE!
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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 19, 2007 -> 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If KW is willing to pay the price (which I highly doubt he is) a trade involving a soon to be free agent Ichiro is not totally out of the question. You're not exactly dealing with a genius in Seattle. And as for KW's question, that was his job this offseason, to find a REAL leadoff hitter and he f***ed that up. It's his own fault that he's backed into a corner yet again. Ok, who was he supposed to acquire? How did he f*** it up? You saw what Pierre and Roberts received. WOuld you pay that for those guys? I would be pissed if we signed either of those chumps to those contracts. So please, tell me, who was available, and who were we supposed to get?
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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Apr 15, 2007 -> 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 6th? Yeah that's the spot for a light hitting, slow, no power type hitter like Erstad. slow?
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Anyone else watching the C*bs implode?
southsideirish replied to sf_soxfan's topic in The Diamond Club
QUOTE(shoota @ Apr 13, 2007 -> 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Griffey was in RF all game. Narron took Dunn out of LF, Freel went to center, and I'm not sure who played LF in the 9th. Narron took out Dunn, but Guillen couldn't take out Podsednik's bat. Piniella's visibly upset in the postgame interview. Rips on Ohman for throwing 40-foot curves. "WHAT THE HELL ISN'T WORKING? YOU'VE SEEN THE DAMN GAME" -Piniella answering the question, "What do you think went wrong in today's game?" Comcast. The starting OF was LF Dunn, CF Hamilton, RF Griffey. Dunn came out, Hamilton move to LF and Freel came in to play CF - ending OF of LF Hamilton, CF Freel, RF Griffey. Griffey has been playing RF all season long. He hasn't been playing CF at all and won't be.
